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    <p>Why settle for a draft when it's publicly available for free?
      It's here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html">http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html</a>.</p>
    <p>Note that it does not define normalization, and instead it refers
      to UAX#15.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16.05.18 17:55, Zach Laine wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Alisdair, <span
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          sounds like it contains normalization and collation.  Is that
          right?  Also, any idea where a draft might be found?  I'd hate
          to pay just to have a peek at something I don't actually have
          a use for.</span>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:29 AM,
          Alisdair Meredith <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:alisdairm@me.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">alisdairm@me.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">As
              far as I can tell, ISO 14651 covers the algorithms, or at
              least a start on them:<br>
              <div><a href="https://www.iso.org/standard/68309.html"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.iso.org/standard/<wbr>68309.html</a></div>
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              <div>For C++20 I believe ISO 10646 is all that is needed,
                as the standard uses unicode directly for</div>
              <div>only definitions of character sets.  Once SG-16
                creates a proposal for deeper support, it will</div>
              <div>probably want these additional references though.</div>
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              <div>AlisdairM</div>
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                      <div>On May 16, 2018, at 08:32, Martinho Fernandes
                        &lt;<a href="mailto:rmf@rmf.io" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">rmf@rmf.io</a>&gt;
                        wrote:</div>
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                          <p>ISO 30112 doesn't seem to be enough in the
                            long run either. Correct me if I'm wrong (I
                            don't have access to the document), but from
                            the abstract it sounds like this just
                            specifies description formats; no algorithms
                            and no data, just ways to specify them.<br>
                          </p>
                          <p>It doesn't cover the ground in <a
                              href="https://unicode.org/reports/tr15/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unicode.org/reports/<wbr>tr15/</a>,
                            <a href="https://unicode.org/reports/tr29/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unicode.org/reports/<wbr>tr29/</a>,
                            <a href="https://unicode.org/reports/tr14/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unicode.org/reports/<wbr>tr14/</a>,
                            <a href="https://unicode.org/reports/tr9/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unicode.org/reports/<wbr>tr9/</a>,
                            <a href="https://unicode.org/reports/tr50/"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://unicode.org/reports/<wbr>tr50/</a>,
                            ... (roughly in order of importance). I
                            don't know if there are ISO standards
                            specifying the same aspects and staying in
                            sync. I don't think there are any; the
                            Unicode FAQ doesn't mention any ISO standard
                            other than ISO 10646 (<a
                              href="https://www.unicode.org/faq/unicode_iso.html"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.unicode.org/faq/<wbr>unicode_iso.html</a>).
                            If there are, let's use them; if there
                            aren't, I think it'd be preferable to just
                            have one single reference to the Unicode
                            specification than to have several
                            references to standards that may or may not
                            get updated in lockstep and may or may
                            reflect the current state of the Unicode
                            Standard.<br>
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                          <p><br>
                          </p>
                          <p>FWIW I only mentioned annexes because
                            they're easier to link to than the core
                            specification, even though there are some
                            algorithms formally defined within it that
                            are also not covered in ISO 10646 nor ISO
                            30112. Also note that a reference to a
                            specific Unicode version encompasses "an
                            edition of the core specification, <i>The
                              Unicode Standard</i>, together with the
                            Code Charts, Unicode Standard Annexes and
                            the Unicode Character Database" (from <a
                              href="https://www.unicode.org/standard/standard.html"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.unicode.org/<wbr>standard/standard.html</a>)</p>
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                            class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-cite-prefix">On
                            16.05.18 14:10, <a
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                              href="mailto:keld@keldix.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">keld@keldix.com</a>
                            wrote:<br>
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                            <pre>If you want more than just character sets, you should refer ISO 30112,
which Unicode has tried to copy.

30112 is much more shaped to the POSIX/C/C++ model - not just UCS.

Best regards
keld


On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 11:59:58PM +0200, R. Martinho Fernandes wrote:
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                              <pre>Can you explain why? For now the ISO reference is enough, but in the future we will need the Unicode Standard reference because ISO 10646 is only the character set.

On May 4, 2018 11:57:08 PM GMT+02:00, <a class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:keld@keldix.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">keld@keldix.com</a> wrote:
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                                <pre>I qould like that we use the reference to ISO 10646 instead of the
unicode inc. reference.
I have advocated that for quite a long time  now.

Best regards
keld

On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 09:43:22PM +0000, Steve Downey wrote:
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                                  <pre>I've been told that some people believe there's a policy that ISO
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                                  <pre>must cite other ISO Standards where those are available, which is why
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                                  <pre>citing the ISO copies of Unicode and ECMAScript. I can't find an
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                                  <pre>policy on this, though.
I'm willing to put in the <a href="http://Unicode.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Unicode.org</a> preferred reference, with a
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                                  <pre>to the ISO reference. My only fear is that too many choices will lead
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                                  <pre>paralysis.

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:44 PM JF Bastien <a class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cxx@jfbastien.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;cxx@jfbastien.com&gt;</a> wrote:

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                                    <pre>The Unicode standard has guidance on how to cite it:

<a class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.unicode.org/versions/index.html#Citations" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.unicode.org/<wbr>versions/index.html#Citations</a>

It would be useful to link to this guidance (and follow it).

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Steve Downey <a class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sdowney@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;sdowney@gmail.com&gt;</a>
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                                <pre>wrote:
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                                      <pre><a class="m_-5662367710801940632moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/steve-downey/sg16/blob/d10250/papers/D1025R0.md" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/steve-<wbr>downey/sg16/blob/d10250/<wbr>papers/D1025R0.md</a>

There are some formatting issues I will clean up, in particular
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                                <pre>changing
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                                      <pre>the links to not raw links, and moving the links down to a
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                                      <pre>section.

Also adding a title at the top.

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