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After discussion with colleagues I think I would have voted in favour, whereas I previously planned to abstain. To quote one of them: "I considered this question of heterogeneous min a few years ago myself, so yes, I'm pleased that someone else has decided it's worthwhile!" I continue to have concerns that programmers will replace their own MIN() macro with std_min() and thereby introduce subtle bugs, but that doesn't outweigh all other considerations. I also still think that WG14 should consider the best future direction of the language when it comes to mixed signedness arithmetic, instead of simply providing macro solutions. Congratulations, Jens! On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 7:11=E2=80=AFPM Aaron Ballman wrote: > > I continue to have concerns about the lack of type safety with regards > to handling of enumerations (and to a lesser extent, bool), however I > don't intend to vote against the proposal (likely will abstain). > > ~Aaron > > On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Robert Seacord wrote: > > > > The review period for N3868 Gustedt, Add type-safe minimum and maximum = type-generic macros, v4 ends soon (May 16). > > Please complete your review of this paper as soon as possible, if you h= aven't already done so. > > > > > > Thanks, > > rCs > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM Robert Seacord wrote: > >> > >> We're starting a 30-day review of: > >> > >> N3868 Gustedt, Add type-safe minimum and maximum type-generic macros, = v4 > >> > >> This paper was reviewed at the March 9 - 13, 2026 meeting. The polling= was close: > >> Decision Poll: Do we want to adopt N3762 as is into C2y? 5-10-5 no con= sensus > >> Opinion Poll: Do we want to adopt something along the lines of N3762 u= sing stdint.h into C2y? 10-3-6 strong direction in favor > >> > >> There were some concerns such as: > >> > >> This paper and Seacord's paper, if adopted, should go into stdint.h, n= ot stdlib.h. > >> > >> That I believe has been addressed by this latest revision. > >> > >> Once the 30-day review period completes on May 16, I'll open up pollin= g for 10 days at https://github.com/c-lang-org/polls. > >> > >> Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Robert Seacord > >> > >> Convenor of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22/WG 14