SC22/WG21/N1255
J16/00-0032
5 May, 2000
Robert Klarer
klarer@ca.ibm.com

J16 Meeting No. 30 WG21 Meeting No. 25
17-21 April, 1999

Formal Minutes

Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg.
3-5-8, Shiba-koen, Minato-ku
Tokyo 105-0011, Japan

WG21 + J16 Meeting, Monday, April 17, 2000

1. Opening Activities

1.1 Opening Comments

Clamage began by welcoming everyone to the 30th meeting of J16.

Mitsuhashi welcomed everyone to the meeting, described the amenities available in the building and reviewed the procedure for copying documents.

1.2 Introductions

Clamage introduced the chair, WG21 convener and vice-chair. Everyone then introduced themselves.

1.3 Memberships, voting rights, and procedures

Clamage reviewed the rules determining which committee members possess voting rights.

Clamage noted that the meetings will begin at 9:00am each morning although the printed agenda indicates that the meetings will begin at 8:30am.

Miller circulated the membership list and J16 attendance list and explained the document numbering.

Clamage noted that Klarer has volunteered to act as secretary at this meeting. Applause.

1.4 Agenda review and approval

1.5 Distribution of position papers. WG progress reports. WG work plans for the week, and other documents that were not distributed before the meeting.

No documents were ready at this point. The WGs will be as follows: Core, Library, Performance.

1.6 Approval of the minutes of the previous meeting

Motion by Dawes to approve document 99-0028=N1224 as the formal minutes of the previous meeting. Second by Miller.

J16 vote: Lots in favor, none opposed the motion and none abstained.

1.7 Report on the WG21 Sunday meeting

Plum noted that discussion of extensions will be suspended until after this meeting at the earliest. Discussion of the time at which extension requests will be formally considered should take place on the admin reflector.

Plum noted Martin O'Riordan has volunteered to be Chair and Project Editor of the PerformanceWorking Group.

Plum also noted that Observing members of the WG are now permitted to participate in WG meetings.

1.8 Liaison reports

Benito mentioned that C met in Japan last week. C published its standard in December 1999. The document number is ISO/IEC 9899:1999. The US has not yet adopted this standard. Benito is confident that NCITS will adopt the standard soon and make it available for download for about $20.

C has submitted a new work item proposal to SC22 and to JTC1 pertaining to embedded systems performance. Apart from the new work item, the C group's efforts are devoted to a rationale and to defect reports.

1.9 New items requiring actions from the committee

Clamage noted a change to the agenda. Tuesday afternoon at 4:00pm, the full committee will meet to discuss the progress of the various subgroups. [secretary's note: this progress report was later deemed unnecessary and canceled.]

Plum recommended that the performance subgroup meet for only two days during the week so that its members could sit in on other subgroup sessions. Martin suggested that the performance group discuss that possibility among themselves.

2. Organize subgroups, establish working procedures.

This had been done (under item 1.5).

3. WG sessions (Core, Library, Performance),

The Core and Library groups will work on Defect Reports. Perfomance will set its own agenda.

WG21 + J16 Meeting, Tuesday, April 18, 2000

4. WG sessions continue.

WG21 + J16 Meeting, Wednesday, April 19, 2000

5. WG sessions continue.

WG21 + J16 Meeting, Thursday, April 20, 2000

6. General Session

Convene at 9:10 am.

6.1 WG status and progress reports.

Core group status was presented by Miller:

Core has moved 41 issues into Ready state (from 0), 15 issues out of Review state (into Ready state), and 15 issues out of Drafting (into Ready state). Five issues were closed as NAD, one issue was closed as a request for an extension, and one item was closed as a duplicate.

Stroustrup's "reference to reference" proposal has been moved into Ready state.

Issue 22 was revisited, as the resolution that was proposed in Dublin has been deemed inadequate.

The proposed resolution to Issue 185 will occasion a change to the proposed resolution to issue 20.

Library group status was presented by Dawes:

Library began the meeting with 33 Ready issues and 17 issues in the Review category. The WG also had 40 Open issues and 32 New issues. Of those 72 issues, 51 of them were cleared. 21 Open library issues remain. Proposed wording changes to many issues were drafted; this clears a backlog that had existed after the Kona meeting.

The Library motions for Tokyo are identified in the document numbered 00-0027=N1250.

Plum presented Performance group status:

Plum noted that the performance group document is available on the LAN, and that much of this material was assembled by Goldthwaite and formatted by O'Riordan. Writing assignments were made in the Performance WG earlier in the week. Kühl has noted that several members of the German NB have volunteered to contribute to the TR, and O'Riordan intends to make Performance group documents available on his web site, particularly so that individuals who are not members of the Committee, like the interested members of the German NB, may participate in the Performance group.

6.2 Presentation and discussion of DRs ready to be voted on. Straw votes taken.

No straw votes were taken, as there will be only one motion to vote on Friday morning and 00-0027=N1250, the document identifying that issue, was only distributed Thursday morning.

Adjourn at 9:40 am.

7. WG sessions continue

WG21 + J16 Meeting, Friday, April 21, 2000

Convene at 9:02 am.

8. Review of the meeting

Clamage noted that progress reports were made by each of the working groups yesterday. Miller updated the core working group progress report of yesterday by discussing Issue 45, relating to a nested class' access to members of its enclosing classes. Miller drew attention to this issue because it may be of particular interest to members of the committee who were not present in core WG deliberations Thursday.

8.1 Formal motions, including DRs to be resolved.

Beman presented two formal motions on behalf of the LWG. These motions are identified in 00-0027=N1250.

Dawes moved item one in document 00-0027=N1250, Kühl seconded.

Motion passed J16: 16 members in favour, none opposed, and none abstained.

Motion passed WG21: 8 in favour, none opposed, and none abstained.

Note that the UK voted by proxy through Josuttis, a German technical expert.

Dawes moved item two in document 00-0027=N1250, Kühl seconded.

Motion passed J16: 16 members in favour, none opposed, and none abstained.

Motion passed WG21: 8 in favour, none opposed, and none abstained.

Note that the UK voted by proxy through Josuttis, a German technical expert.

Nelson moved that the commitee thank our hosts. Applause.

8.2 Review of action items, decisions made, and documents approved by the committee

This had been done (under item 6.1).

8.3 Issues delayed until Friday

No items had been delayed until Friday.

9. Plans for the future

9.1 Next meeting

The next meeting will take place in Toronto during the week of November 22, 2000. Klarer drew attention to the meeting announcement in document 00-0012=N1235 and discussed sites of interest in the Toronto area.

9.2 Mailings

Miller indicated that the deadline for submissions to the premeeting mailing for Toronto will be the 6th of September.

9.3 Following meetings

Kristoffersen indicated that he would issue a meeting announcement soon for the April 2001 meeting in Copenhagen.

Plum indicated that it is likely that WG21/J16 will be invited to meet in Redmond or Seattle in October of 2001.

Klarer moved to adjourn. Dawes seconded.

Motion passed W21+J16: All in favour, none opposed, none abstained.

Adjourn at 9:26am.

Appendix A - J16 Attendance list

Name	Organization	Mon	Tue	Wed	Thu	Fri
Nelson, Clark	Intel	V	V	V	V	V
Merrill, Jason	Red Hat	V	V	V	V	V
Spicer, John	Edison Design Group	A	A	A	A	A
Adamczyk, Steve	Edison Design Group	V	V	V	V	V
Vandevoorde, Daveed	Edison Design Group	A	A	A	A	A
Fitzpatrick, Liam	Programming Research	V	V	V	V	V
Plauger, P. J.	Dinkumware, Ltd.	V	V	V	V	V
Becker, Pete	Dinkumware, Ltd.	A	A	A	A	A
Benito, John	Perennial, Inc.	V	V	V	V	V
Crowl, Lawrence	Sun Microsystems	V	V	V	V	V
Colvin, Greg	Oracle	V	V	V	V	V
Plauger, Tana L.	Dinkumware, Ltd.	A	A	A	A	A
Han, Yenjo	Mentor Graphics Corp.	V	V	V	V	V
Wiegley, John	Inprise Corp. (Borland)	V	V	V	V
Klarer, Robert	IBM	V	V	V	V	V
Schmeiser, Jamie	IBM	A	A	A	A	A
Koenig, Andrew	AT&T	V	V	V	V	V
Caves, Jonathan	Microsoft	V	V	V	V	V
Dawes, Beman	self	V	V	V	V	V
Ward, Judy	Compaq Computer	V	V	V	V	V
Clamage, Steve	Sun Microsystems	A	A	A	A	A
Plum, Thomas	Plum Hall	V	V	V	V	V
Miller, William M.	self	V	V	V	V	V
	Total Voting	17	17	17	17	16
	Total Attending	6	6	6	6	6
	Overall Total	23	23	23	23	22