Dave Blackwood, Jim Oblinger, Keld Simonsen

Agenda (as modified by the HoD Agenda meeting held previously) adopted.

Minutes (as distributed in e1153) were approved without modification.

SD3. Issue 2, documenting National Profiles: ISO/IEC TR 14766 is under development and documents National Profiles (and National Locales); and the action taken to attempt to use TR10000 has proved unsuccessful. ENV12005, provides a process for National Profile registration. This issue can now be closed.

Issue 3 – remains Open.

Issue 7 – subsetting. ACTION US in their plans for a revision of 1003.1 to take into account the subsetting by 1003.13, and to report back to WG15 how they propose to handle that.

ACTION Member Bodies to respond to the subsetting proposal in PDISP ballot to 15287-2 (aka 1003.13) and indicate whether such subsetting should be supported in the base standard.

Issue CLOSED.

Issue 8 Localedef User specified collation weight names – remains OPEN

Issue 9 LC_CTYPE extensions. Remains OPEN.

Issue 10 Range expression dependency. Remains OPEN.

No actions exepected.

Some new ballot results have now been posted to SD11. The security projects (1003.1e and 1003.2c). have been withdrawn. UK moved to withdraw the corresponding work items. US seconded. No discussion. Assigned to drafting committee.

Andrew Josey presented e1234/N764. Jim Isaak noted that PAS submission on DCE interopability has become IS 15879, but is directly related to IS 15068-2, and perhaps would have been better to have been in the same numbering sequence.

Don Folland submitted e1225. He now has the draft.

Jim Oblinger submitted e1236.

A new action has been generated for Denmark and Canada to consider whether bodies are available to restart this work item.

Denmark has been working on two issues, one relating to an API for 9945-1 and one is an extension to locales for 9945-2 (see e1206 and e1237). PASC SUWG has reviewed this and believes it inappropriate. UK does not believe this appropriate. The Open Group does not believe this appropriate. Denmark is saddened by this negative response. ACTION Convener to prepare and forward a report on the Euro issue to SC22 and JTC1

See e1205, e1182, e1181.

Continuing discussions this week at PASC have given rise to four recommendations for short term investigation, pending a final report to PASC in July.

It was noted that all those present are involved heavily in PASC, and there may be a perception that anybody appointed here may have a "PASC bias". However, there is an urgency here, since all groups are meeting within the next two weeks. ACTION Member bodies are invited to identify additional participants for these discussions and follow-up activities.

Recommendation 1: Jim Isaak, Prof Saito to represent WG15

Recommendation 2: Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton, and Jim Isaak to represent WG15.

Recommendation 3: Lowell Johnson, Keld Simonsen to represent WG15.

Recommendation 4: Roger Martin to act as coordinator for comments received. ACTION All Member Bodies to identify specific issue that need to be addressed w.r.t. work in progress and co-operative development TOG/PASC/WG15 by May 31.

Jim Isaak suggested the possibility of forming Rapporteur groups to "own" logical chunks of work (e.g. C language bindings, Shell & Utilities). Member bodies could be involved in these, as could PASC and TOG. NOTE these rapporteur groups could continue to exist even if WG15 itself went away (lack of convener).

The following diagram was developed to illustrate the process.

This was agreed as a sensible way to initiate collaborative work.

Andrew Josey presented DTN-4 (available at http://www.opengroup.org/interpretations).

TOG were congratulated on getting the first ever PAS submission successfully completed.

DTN-3 refers (renumbered to N768). Existing action on Keld to circulate this. New ACTION All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 by August 1.

Already covered in Action Item reports.

Covered all documents already.

Substantial discussion on 1003.1g, PII. This was rejected by IEEE as a standard. However, the sync plan requires international comments to be added to a document outside of the IEEE ballot process should they be recd. The standards board has not notified the sponsor chair of the reason for failure; this is inaction, and allows appeal. ACTION US to appeal this decision.

Nothing additional to report.

14515-2 awaiting final editing to make it ready for publication.

N766 and N767 distributed. Substantial discussion regarding whether or not the draft they have produced should be IEEE copyright or ISO copyright, and how the PAR should be handled (e.g. change to IPAR). ACTION Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed. An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts.

Nothing additional to report on POSIX.10 or POSIX.13.

The UK has nominated Dr Geoff Pickering as Project Editor for JTC1 N5158 (POSIX.23). WG15 approves this nomination.

Cultural Adaptability workshop occurred in Canada in December. This item is FYI since everyone should be aware of this.

Keld is willing to hold off this item for the moment in the light of the cooperation efforts.

As reported elsewhere, the convener is stepping down after the SC22 meeting in August. How can the work be handled if we do not have a convener. We have agreed on doing more electronically. We have agreed to go to an annual meeting. We have agreed to do more with PASC and TOG cooperatively.

Lowell observed that the rapporteur group approach requires multiple leaders, whilst WG15 only needs one. Can we get an interim convener somehow?

Canada observed that the convener must assume an international role, and that there were a number of single person delegations; if one of these countries were to change their delegate to convener, that country would lose its voice.

UK moved to continue to seek a new convener until such a time as WG15 is disbanded. US seconded.

ACTION All Member bodies to continue to actively seek candidates for WG15 convener, and to report these at the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

All the following resolutions were approved without objection except where noted.

98-390 Termination of WG15 Security Projects

Whereas the U.S. Development body has ceased development of IEEE P1003.2c and IEEE P1003.1e, therefore

WG15 requests SC22 to withdraw the corresponding work items JTC1.22.43 and JTC1.22.42.

98-391 Forwarding of Documents (1003.1d and 1387.4)

WG15 approves the forwarding of IEEE P1003.1d Draft 11 to SC22 for concurrent JTC1.22.40 PDAM registration and ballot.

WG15 approves the forwarding of IEEE P1387.4 Draft 9 to SC22 for JTC1.22.21.03.03 CD ballot.

98-392 Invitation to The Open Group

Whereas there is value in using consistent numbering schemes for related documents, and whereas TOG has submitted and had approved as an IS a PAS submission which is related to a POSIX project but which is numbered differently, therefore, in the spirit of co-operation,

WG15 invites TOG in future PAS submissions, where these might best be given a consistent number with current WG15 documents, to request WG15's assistance in obtaining from ITTF an appropriate document number before the PAS ballot.

98-393 Records of Response

WG15 approves the proposed Records of Responses contained in emails e1221, 1220, 1219, 1218, 1217, 1216, 1215, 1204, 1194, 1193, 1163, 1158, and 1157 (as consolidated) and requests that they be forwarded to SC22 for ballot.

98-395 Congratulations to The Open Group

WG15 extends its congratulations to The Open Group on the occasion of approval of the first PAS submission as an International Standard.

98-396 WG15 Participation in Co-ordination Small Groups

WG15 appoints Jim Isaak, Nobuo Saito and Keld Simonsen as its representatives to the meeting planning issues group; Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton, and Jim Isaak to the procedures and process issues group; and, Lowell Johnson and Keld Simonsen to the POSIX .1 revision testbed group. All member bodies are invited to provide input to the question of "what do we do with existing work" to Roger Martin who will co-ordinate our response to PASC and TOG.

98-397 Endorsement of the Common Expert Group Principle

WG15 endorses the concept of having common technical working groups for the creation of future standards documents and recommends the use of its rapporteur group process as a vehicle to facilitate international participation in those groups, and authorizes the convenor to initiate the formation of such rapporteur groups as a result of the collaborative process.

98-398 Meeting Schedule and Frequency

WG15 resolves to move toward annual meetings to be held on a rotating basis in conjunction with IEEE PASC, SC22 and TOG as available.

98-399 Project Editor

WG15 recommends that SC22 appoint Dr. Geoff Pickering (UK) as Project Editor for the Guide for Developing User Organization OSE Profiles (IEEE P1003.23).

98-400 Fasttrack of JTC1 22.15287.1

Whereas, IEEE Std. 1003.10 has been an approved IEEE standard for over three years but has only recently been brought forward into the international arena for consideration,

and whereas no action has yet been taken to implement resolution 97-385 forwarding this document for PDISP Registration and Final PDISP Ballot, therefore

WG15 recommends that JTC1 22.15287.1 (IEEE Std. 1003.10) be submitted for fasttrack ballot if possible.
OBJECTION from Denmark. APPROVE US, UK, CA, and JP.

98-401 Help Wanted - Working Group Convenor

Whereas WG15 feels that its work is of value and should be continued, therefore

WG15 resolves to continue to seek nominations for the position of working group convenor until such time that one is found, and

WG15 requests SC22's assistance in ensuring the continuation of WG15's work.

98-402 Expression of Appreciation to the Host

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the U.S. Member Body, and particularly to Mr. Roger Martin, for hosting an excellent meeting and a most entertaining and exciting dining experience.

Appreciations also go to Mr. Roger Martin for acting as Chair and to Mr. Nick Stoughton (U.K.) for acting as Secretary of the meeting and to Keld Simonsen (Denmark) for supplying the LAN infrastructure.

98-403 Expression of Appreciation to the Drafting Committee

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the Canadian, United States and Danish delegations for supplying volunteers to the drafting committee (David Blackwood, Jim Oblinger, and Keld Simonsen), and for their excellent and most exhaustive work in recording the resolutions from this meeting.

9804-01 Japan - Provide URLs and other information they would like posted to the WG15 web page (Rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and 9610-01 and 9705-01 on Japan and Netherlands and 9710-01.) -- OPEN

9804-03 Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52, 9705-23 and 9710-09.) OPEN awaiting distribution of response.

9804-04 U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to 22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40 and 9710-12.)

9804-05 All Project Editors - Ensure they have or obtain the current copy of their documents’ source, for archive purposes. (Rolled over from 9705-46 and 9710-13.)

9804-06 All Member Bodies - Seek volunteers for the post of WG15 Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9705-55 and 9710-15) OPEN

9804-07 Netherlands – Ask Willem Wakker if he would accept nomination as WG11 Liaison. (rolled over from 9710-26) OPEN

9804-08 Netherlands,– Identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2 changes may needed to accommodate the new Euro currency (rolled over from 9710-28). OPEN (on Netherlands only) – see 3.2 Euro considerations.

9804-09 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Complete disposition of comments on Extensions to base (.1a) PDAM5. (rolled over from 9710-38) OPEN

9804-10 U.S. - Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test Methods, when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot. (rolled over from 9710-41) OPEN

9804-11 U.S. - Investigate and report on the status of 1003.18 and make a recommendation on a possible division of work. (rolled over from 9710 44) OPEN

9804-12 Convener – Request that SC22 propose a change to JTC1 rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports and ISPs. (R97-381) (rolled over from 9710-47) OPEN

New Action items arising from the Dallas Meeting:

9804-13 Denmark to address Japan’s concerns expressed in N759 on the Cultural Convention Specifications.

9804-14 Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be found to commence a new work item for the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project.

9804-15 US in their plans for a revision of 1003.1 to take into account the subsetting by 1003.13, and to report back to WG15 how they propose to handle that.

9804-16 Member Bodies to respond to the subsetting proposal in PDISP ballot to 15287-2 (aka 1003.13) and indicate whether such subsetting should be supported in the base standard.

9804-17 US forward draft 11 of PDAM-8 {a.k.a. 1003.1d} for PDAM ballot at the same time as the IEEE ballot is started (in accordance with the sync plan)

9804-18 Convener to prepare and forward a report on the Euro issue to SC22.

9804-19 WG20 liaison (Keld) to post the WG20 liaison report, modified to remove the word POSIX from it, to the WG15 reflector.

9804-20 WG14 Liaison (Keld) to post DTN-1 to the WG15 reflector.

9804-21 Andrew Josey to sort E1247, e1221, e1220, e1219, e1218, e1217, e1216, e1215, e1204, e1194, e1193, e1163, e1158, e1157 into a single record of response and forward them to Keld to mount on the WG15 web site, and to continue doing this on an annual basis.

9804-22 All Member Bodies to identify specific issue that need to be addressed w.r.t. work in progress and co-operative development TOG/PASC/WG15 and report these to Roger Martin by May 31.

9804-23 TOG Liaison, Jim Isaak, Keld Simonsen and Pro Saito (the latter three as the WG15 representatives to the meeting small group) to investigate the possibilities of colocation with TOG in January, and to check the issue of colocation with SC22 in September 1999.

9804-24 All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 (LIS Techniques) by August 1.

9804-25 US to take appropriate corrective action w.r.t. DAM 4 to 9945-1 (a.k.a. 1003.1g).

9804-26 Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed. An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts.

9804-27 Convener to call for volunteers to chair the September 1999 meeting, and to act as vice-chair of the January 1999 meeting.

9804-28 Convener to convey to SC22 the desire of WG15 to continue its work in whatever way possible, and to request SC22 to facilitate ways of involving technical experts in these important projects (R98-401).

Actions Arising from Resolutions

9804-29 Convener to notify SC22 that the US development body has ceased development on work items JTC1.22.42 and JTC1.22.43, and request that these work items be withdrawn. (R98-390)

9804-30 Convener to communicate R98-392 and R98-395 to TOG for their information

9804-31 Jim Isaak Keld Simonsens and Nobuo Saito to act as representatives of WG15 to the meeting planning coordiantion group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

9804-32 Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton and Jim Isaak to act as representatives of WG15 to the procedures coordination group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

9804-33 Lowell Johnson and Keld Simonsen to act as representatives of WG15 to the POSIX.1 revision planning coordination group and report progress as appropriate to the WG15 reflector

9804-34 Convener to recommend to SC22 that Dr Geoff Pickering is appointed as Project Editor for New Project on User OSE Profiles (a.k.a. 1003.23)

9804-35 Member bodies to continue to actively seek candidates for WG15 convener, and to report these no later than the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

9804-36 Member bodies to propose alternative methods for continuing and maintaining the work of WG15 if there is no convener, and to report these at the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen.

The next meeting will be in January 1999, jointly with either PASC or TOG (or even with a joint PASC/TOG meeting if one is to take place by then). ACTION TOG Liaison, Jim Isaak, and Pro Saito (the latter two as the WG15 representatives to the meeting small group) to investigate the possibilities of colocation with TOG in January. The following meeting will be in conjunction with SC22 in September 1999. Meetings thereafter should be annually, rotating between TOG, PASC and SC22.

The January 1999 will be chaired by the US. ACTION convener to call for volunteers to chair the September 1999 meeting, and to act as vice-chair of the January 1999 meeting.