From owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Wed Nov 26 11:16:17 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by dkuug.dk (8.12.10/8.9.2) id hAQAGHPh024394 for sc22wg5-domo; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:16:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: ptah.dkuug.dk: majordom set sender to owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk using -f Received: from inf.rl.ac.uk (nfs7.inf.rl.ac.uk [130.246.72.7]) by dkuug.dk (8.12.10/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAQAGBEt024388 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:16:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j.k.reid@rl.ac.uk) Received: from numerical.cc.rl.ac.uk (numerical [130.246.8.23]) by inf.rl.ac.uk (8.11.6+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id hAQAGpF18349 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:16:51 GMT Received: from rl.ac.uk (jkr.cse.rl.ac.uk [130.246.9.202]) by numerical.cc.rl.ac.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23008 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:26:18 GMT Message-ID: <3FC47E62.8010505@rl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:20:18 +0000 From: John Reid Reply-To: j.k.reid@rl.ac.uk Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WG5 Subject: Re: (SC22WG5.3053) Form for new F20xx features References: <200311250042.hAP0gj5t087376@dkuug.dk> <200311251035.hAPAZOY4097511@dkuug.dk> <200311252023.hAPKNHi4009345@dkuug.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0 () Sender: owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Precedence: bulk Walt, > Maybe there is some misunderstanding about what I > have tried to do. The form is not a form to create > the file for our database. It is a form to submit > and idea for consideration. Obviously, the more > the result looks like a database entry the better, > but it cannot be the same. For example, I think we > want to collect the name and e-mail address of the > person who submits it. Also, it might be a bit > difficult for the submitter to provide a "History". There may be a history in some cases. > Maybe the submitter's country would be an > additional field that might be useful ??? Yes. >> Yes. The intro text should summarize the procedure that will be used >> to process the suggestion. For the boxes, I would like you to use the >> exact words of N1496 so that we are completely in phase. Or, if you >> think the words in N1496 are bad, I am open to suggestions for a >> revision. > > > Please send me words for the intro text. > I assume it will be brief. The trouble is that I do not know what the procedure will be. Is this really a J3 matter? See, also, my replies below. > Of course, when printing the submission I can make such changes > as "Impact" -> "Estimated Impact". I will do that if we agree > to have the form. > >>> 2. To whom should the thing be mailed? >> >> >> >> The submitter's head of delegation. > > > This isn't going to work. Who does a submitter from > Peru send it to? If somebody provides me a mapping > from each country in the world to e-mail addresses, > I can do it (I did this for shipping from the Fortran > Store), but I don't think this is what we want. I > believe these will need some human processing before > going into the database--for example, we may decide > that Bruce Martin and his 2-trip DO loop proposal > are wacky and may not want to include it (I like > his "Letter O considered harmful" proposal much > better). Perhaps it should go to a J3 member. J3 has always been very open to participation by foreigners and we appreciate it. If the message comes from a UK person, it can be sent to David. Similarly for a message from the (few) other countries that actively participate in WG5. Otherwise, I think it might be best for J3 to consider it. I do not expect a flood of these, so I would be willing to decide what to do in each case. > I think the only reasonable thing is to send these > to one or two people in WG5 or J3 (JOR?). We can > filter some of the stuff the way we did at the most > recent J3 meeting (i.e., create a recommendation for > a list of things to consider seriously). What do you > think, Stan? > >>> 3. Do you want an XML version as well as text? >> >> >> >> No. I would like to use simple text for the document. May seem old >> fashioned, but it avoids lots of problems. > > > XML is text not much different from the example I > showed. You would have > > > Joan Doe > > > instead of > > Name: > Joan Doe > > or > > Name: Joan Doe > > You can trivially produce the regular text from the XML. OK. > > But I'll produce whatever is agreed. > >>> 4. How would you like them numbered (they are >>> just numbered 1, 2, 3, ... now, but it could >>> be something line FR10001, FR10002, etc.)? >> >> >> That's up to each country. Once a country has submitted the item to >> WG5, the keeper of the repository will assign a number (see N1496). > > > No. I am not going to have the script keep > a different numbering system for each country > (it was modestly difficult to get a CGI script to > number submissions consecutively--one problem is > to lock out the file in case two people are creating > submissions simultaneously). > If each submission must go to a different country, > I don't think this whole idea will work. OK, you just have a separate numbering system for these submissions and it can appear in the 'history' part of the repository item. Cheers, John.