From owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Tue Nov 25 21:23:16 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by dkuug.dk (8.12.10/8.9.2) id hAPKNGlr009334 for sc22wg5-domo; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:23:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: ptah.dkuug.dk: majordom set sender to owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk using -f Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by dkuug.dk (8.12.10/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAPKN5Et009328 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:23:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from walt@fortran.com) Received: from fortran.com (pcp05598289pcs.sabrna01.az.comcast.net [68.37.91.178]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAPKNmYO020345; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3FC3BA4E.7020701@fortran.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:42 -0700 From: Walt Brainerd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: j.k.reid@rl.ac.uk CC: wg5 sc22 Subject: Re: (SC22WG5.3052) Form for new F20xx features References: <200311250042.hAP0gj5t087376@dkuug.dk> <200311251035.hAPAZOY4097511@dkuug.dk> In-Reply-To: <200311251035.hAPAZOY4097511@dkuug.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Score: 0 () Sender: owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Precedence: bulk Maybe there is some misunderstanding about what I have tried to do. The form is not a form to create the file for our database. It is a form to submit and idea for consideration. Obviously, the more the result looks like a database entry the better, but it cannot be the same. For example, I think we want to collect the name and e-mail address of the person who submits it. Also, it might be a bit difficult for the submitter to provide a "History". Maybe the submitter's country would be an additional field that might be useful ??? John Reid wrote: > > > Walt Brainerd wrote: > >> As promised in LV, I have attempted a form for >> submitting a feature request: >> >> http://www.fortran.com/request_form.html >> >> There is no link to it from any other place, so >> only we will be able to try it for a while. If >> you would be willing to beta test it for me, I >> would appreciate it. >> >> The way it works now is that the result is e-mailed >> to me and to the submitter. >> >> Here are questions (particularly for John and Stan, >> I guess): >> >> 1. Would you like to change the intro text at the >> top (or anything else)? > > > Yes. The intro text should summarize the procedure that will be used to > process the suggestion. For the boxes, I would like you to use the exact > words of N1496 so that we are completely in phase. Or, if you think the > words in N1496 are bad, I am open to suggestions for a revision. Please send me words for the intro text. I assume it will be brief. Of course, when printing the submission I can make such changes as "Impact" -> "Estimated Impact". I will do that if we agree to have the form. >> 2. To whom should the thing be mailed? > > > The submitter's head of delegation. This isn't going to work. Who does a submitter from Peru send it to? If somebody provides me a mapping from each country in the world to e-mail addresses, I can do it (I did this for shipping from the Fortran Store), but I don't think this is what we want. I believe these will need some human processing before going into the database--for example, we may decide that Bruce Martin and his 2-trip DO loop proposal are wacky and may not want to include it (I like his "Letter O considered harmful" proposal much better). I think the only reasonable thing is to send these to one or two people in WG5 or J3 (JOR?). We can filter some of the stuff the way we did at the most recent J3 meeting (i.e., create a recommendation for a list of things to consider seriously). What do you think, Stan? >> 3. Do you want an XML version as well as text? > > > No. I would like to use simple text for the document. May seem old > fashioned, but it avoids lots of problems. XML is text not much different from the example I showed. You would have Joan Doe instead of Name: Joan Doe or Name: Joan Doe You can trivially produce the regular text from the XML. But I'll produce whatever is agreed. >> 4. How would you like them numbered (they are >> just numbered 1, 2, 3, ... now, but it could >> be something line FR10001, FR10002, etc.)? > > That's up to each country. Once a country has submitted the item to WG5, > the keeper of the repository will assign a number (see N1496). No. I am not going to have the script keep a different numbering system for each country (it was modestly difficult to get a CGI script to number submissions consecutively--one problem is to lock out the file in case two people are creating submissions simultaneously). If each submission must go to a different country, I don't think this whole idea will work. I would like to hear opinions from others, also. -- Walt Brainerd +1-877-355-6640 (voice & fax) The Fortran Company +1-520-760-1397 (outside USA) 6025 N. Wilmot Road walt@fortran.com Tucson, AZ 85750 USA http://www.fortran.com