From owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Thu Apr 10 10:01:12 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by dkuug.dk (8.12.8p1/8.9.2) id h3A81C33030213 for sc22wg5-domo; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:01:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: ptah.dkuug.dk: majordom set sender to owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk using -f Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by dkuug.dk (8.12.8p1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h3A819nj030208 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:01:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from miles@bluechiplearning.com) Received: from modem-378.abra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.2.122]) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 193X0G-0002Bw-VD for sc22wg5@dkuug.dk; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:01:49 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:00:37 +0100 Subject: Re: (SC22WG5.2702) Non-Latin Character Examples (Was: latex question) From: Miles Ellis To: WG5 Mailing List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304091858.h39IwXJ7025873@dkuug.dk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sc22wg5@dkuug.dk Precedence: bulk Dear WG5 and J3, Craig Dedo has raised the issue of the character sets used in the examples on page 31 of the Fortran 90 Standard. Since I was responsible for the nondefault (not "non-Latin" ;-) character literal constant examples in the Fortran 90 Standard, perhaps I may throw in my two-pennyworth. The four examples were provided by representatives of the four countries concerned (Russia, India, Hungary and Japan) and all mean the same thing. CYRILLIC, HINDI, MAGYAR and NIHONGO are named constants which identify character sets which are not specifically defined in the Standard other than by the vague reference to "Cyrillic (Russian and other Slavic languages), Hindi, Magyar (Hungarian), and Nihongo (Japanese) characters." The use of the name Nihongo for the last of these was, as far as I can remember, suggested by the Japanese themselves rather than identifying a specific character set such as Kanji, Katakana or Hiragana, since that might have led to confusion amongst those unfamiliar with Japanese character sets. Similarly, Hindi was used rather than the specific Indian character set - there are a great many and I cannot remember exactly which one was used. At the time, I think that the Cyrillic, Hindi and Nihongo examples were provided on paper and physically pasted into the master copy - as, probably, was the Magyar example with its 'double acute' accent on the initial upper case letter 'O'. (Incidentally, the original English version was "Without her, nothing is possible" and, in its Hungarian form, was part of the dedication to my former wife on the cover page of my 1990 textbook entitled "FORTRAN 77 Programming - With an Introduction to the Fortran 90 Standard", which contained this phrase in Chinese (Hanzi), Hungarian, Punjabi (Gurmurki), Russian (Cyrillic) and Spanish, as well as the phrase "What is your name?" in the same five languages, in the relevant part of the Fortran 90 summary!) My personal feeling is that it would not be a good idea to refer to specific parts of the ISO 10646 character code since this would require further explanation for those who are not familiar with this character set. The original purpose of these examples was simply to show that non-Latin characters could be used in Fortran 90 in character constants of non-default kind, and deliberately avoided getting involved in the details of specific character sets. If any reference is made to an actual part of the 10646 character set then you will need to check that the text as shown does EXACTLY match whatever is referenced and, possibly, change some of the examples. Good luck anyway! Miles P.S. It was great to see many of you again at the Reunion last week in Las Vegas. It made me quite nostalgic - especially when I realised during the opening WG5 session that you were still debating some of the same issues that we failed to resolve during the development of Fortran 90! ----------- Miles Ellis Email: miles@bluechiplearning.com Phone: +44 1629 57542 Mobile: +44 7958 465614