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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:00:54 -0500
From: Craig Dedo <Craig_Dedo@execpc.com>
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To: Keith Bierman <Keith.Bierman@sun.com>, WG5 Mailing List <sc22wg5@dkuug.dk>
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   NISHIMURA Kazuo <nishimura@komazawa-u.ac.jp>, takata@edogawa-u.ac.jp
Subject: Non-Latin Character Examples  (Was: (SC22WG5.2701) latex question)
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Dear  WG5:
    I just checked my copy of ISO 10646.  It looks like the example in 
section 4.3.2.1 (p.31) of the Fortran 90 standard is Hiragana.  I was 
able to match several characters in the example with characters from 
Table 80 (p. 176) of ISO 10646.  Perhaps one of the Japanese readers of 
this mailing list could say for sure.  

    Here is a related issue.  I believe that ISO 10646 will become a 
major character set in the next 10 years, which will be roughly the time 
that the F2K standard will be current.  Perhaps one of the character 
examples should be 10646.  What do others think?

Keith Bierman wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 03:50 PM, Richard Maine wrote:
>
>> The f90 standard described this as
>> from the NIHONGO character set; I assume that is correct, so I have
>> used the same description.
>
>
> As far as I know, the term "nihongo" is japanese for "japanese 
> language". If you are looking for the name of the font (e.g. courier) 
> it no doubt is different than nihongo.
>
> Another somewhat interesting question is whether the characters you 
> have are katakana, hiragana or "kanji". Japanese is written with all 
> three, two are "sylabets" and the third (kanji) is idiograms.
>
> I would have guessed that the sample you have would be katakana. 
> Actually, I would have thought that Fortran processors with Nihongo 
> support would have selected katakana characters to support first. So, 
> if I'm right, I would *hope* that what you have is katakana ;>
>
> It would be possible (perhaps even interesting) to have a Fortran 
> implementation which used the KIND facility to provide all three sets 
> of characters. However, I have no idea if anyone has done so.
>
> -- --------
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Dear &nbsp;WG5:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I just checked my copy of ISO 10646. &nbsp;It looks like the example in section
4.3.2.1 (p.31) of the Fortran 90 standard is Hiragana. &nbsp;I was able to match
several characters in the example with characters from Table 80 (p. 176)
of ISO 10646. &nbsp;Perhaps one of the Japanese readers of this mailing list could
say for sure. &nbsp;<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Here is a related issue. &nbsp;I believe that ISO 10646 will become a major
character set in the next 10 years, which will be roughly the time that the
F2K standard will be current. &nbsp;Perhaps one of the character examples should
be 10646. &nbsp;What do others think?<br>
<br>
Keith Bierman wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid200304090000.h3900qGu020497@dkuug.dk"> <br>
On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 03:50 PM, Richard Maine wrote: <br>
  <blockquote type="cite">The f90 standard described this as <br>
from the NIHONGO character set; I assume that is correct, so I have <br>
used the same description. <br>
  </blockquote>
 <br>
As far as I know, the term "nihongo" is japanese for "japanese  language".
If you are looking for the name of the font (e.g. courier)  it no doubt is
different than nihongo. <br>
 <br>
Another somewhat interesting question is whether the characters you  have
are katakana, hiragana or "kanji". Japanese is written with all  three, two
are "sylabets" and the third (kanji) is idiograms. <br>
 <br>
I would have guessed that the sample you have would be katakana.  Actually,
I would have thought that Fortran processors with Nihongo  support would
have selected katakana characters to support first. So,  if I'm right, I
would *hope* that what you have is katakana ;&gt; <br>
 <br>
It would be possible (perhaps even interesting) to have a Fortran  implementation
which used the KIND facility to provide all three sets  of characters. However,
I have no idea if anyone has done so. <br>
 <br>
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