From j.l.schonfelder@liverpool.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 11:38:38 2000 Received: from mailhub1.liv.ac.uk (mailhub1.liv.ac.uk [138.253.100.94]) by dkuug.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA25386 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:38:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from j.l.schonfelder@liverpool.ac.uk) Received: from pcmail1.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.252.13]) by mailhub1.liv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12abNU-0007Oi-00; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:36:36 +0000 Received: from [138.253.102.118] (helo=pc102118.liv.ac.uk) by pcmail1.liv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12abNU-0004Cc-00; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:36:36 +0100 From: Lawrie Schonfelder Reply-To: j.l.schonfelder@liverpool.ac.uk To: "Kurt W. Hirchert" Cc: SC22WG5@dkuug.dk Subject: Re: (SC22WG5.1746) Interpretation 001 In-Reply-To: <200003291559.RAA22410@dkuug.dk> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:36:35 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:59:03 -0500 "Kurt W. Hirchert" wrote: > Given the disagreements, I might be persuaded that the standard is > ambiguous or incomplete on this point and that it should be "corrected" to > match Lawrie's rules. [If we are going to do that, I would also like to > revisit the interpretation on the use of intrinsics in specification and > initialization expressions.] I would agree wholeheartedly with looking again at specification and initialization expressions. I would like to go further and revisit the need for the draconian overly complex restrictions in this area. I constantly fall over these restrictions when actually trying to program portable programs in F95. I repeatedly reread this section of the standard and am still confused as to precisely what it means and just try explaining it to novices or programmers with a different native language from Fortran! > > The corrigendum procedure may be clumsy and slow, but since ISO officially > publishes only the corrections and not the interpretations of a standard, a > corrigendum may be more effective in getting vendors to change their > compilers to provide a uniform behavior in this case. > -- > Kurt W. Hirchert hirchert@ccs.uky.edu > Center for Computational Sciences +606-257-8748 -- Lawrie Schonfelder Director, Computing Services Dept. The University of Liverpool, UK, L69 7ZF Phone: 44(151)794 3716, Fax: 44(151)794 3759