From jwagener@trc.amoco.com Tue Apr 21 21:00:54 1992 Received: from [137.66.12.254] by dkuug.dk via EUnet with SMTP (5.64+/8+bit/IDA-1.2.8) id AA08831; Tue, 21 Apr 92 21:00:54 +0200 Received: from uc.msc.edu by noc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0.1(920324)) id AA11119; Tue, 21 Apr 92 14:00:50 -0500 Received: from [129.230.11.2] by uc.msc.edu (5.65/MSC/v3.0z(901212)) id AA11538; Tue, 21 Apr 92 14:00:44 -0500 Received: from trc.amoco.com (apctrc.trc.amoco.com) by netserv2 (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04267; Tue, 21 Apr 92 14:00:40 CDT Received: from crmac1 (crmac1.trc.amoco.com) by trc.amoco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22816; Tue, 21 Apr 92 14:00:36 CDT Date: Tue, 21 Apr 92 14:00:36 CDT Message-Id: <9204211900.AA22816@trc.amoco.com> From: Jerrold L. Wagener To: SC22WG5@dkuug.dk Subject: joint WG5/X3J3 meetings ???? X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 To X3J3 and WG5 - Maureen has distributed possible 3-meeting and 4-meeting schedules for X3J3 in 1993, based upon the normal meeting patterns of the past several years. This note is to put forward a more "radical" idea for your reaction. THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL. IT IS INTENDED MERELY TO SPUR DISCUSSION AT THE UPCOMING X3J3 AND WG5 MEETINGS TO INVESTIGATE THE MERIT/INTEREST, IF ANY, IN THE WORLDWIDE FORTRAN COMMUNITY HAVING JOINT MEETINGS/MEMBERSHIPS. The idea is for joint X3J3/WG5 meetings at least once a year, to structure the meeting schedule so that it is feasible for every WG5 member to become an X3J3 member and every X3J3 member to become a WG5 member, and generally to get the two committees working more closely and effectively together. The following format, of which there are many variations, would not (as far as I can tell at this time) require any rule changes at either the X3 or SC22 levels and is compatible with the L12 plan under consideration. In particular, the distinct roles, and corresponding checks and balances, envisioned in the L12 plan for the two committees would be preserved. This is not a new idea (see, for example, item 2 on page 13 of the minutes for X3J3 meeting 120). Here, then, is the germ of the idea: Mar 93 X3J3 124 Jul 93 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 125 Oct 93 X3J3 126 Jan 94 X3J3 127 (*) May 94 X3J3 128 Sep 94 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 129 Jan 95 X3J3 130 May 95 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 131 Sep 95 X3J3 132 Jan 96 X3J3 133 (*) May 96 X3J3 134 Sep 96 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 135 Jan 97 X3J3 136 May 97 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 137 Sep 97 X3J3 138 Jan 98 X3J3 139 (*) May 98 X3J3 140 Sep 98 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 141 Jan 99 X3J3 142 May 99 Joint Meeting, WG5 + X3J3 143 Sep 99 X3J3 144 This schedule has one WG5 meeting and three X3J3 meetings each calendar year; the WG5 meeting and one of the three X3J3 meetings is a joint meeting - see below a possible generic format for these joint meetings. Three of the X3J3 meetings are marked above with an asterisk (*), the Jan 1994, Jan 1996, and Jan 1998 meetings. Any WG5 member that attended all of the joint meetings plus these three X3J3 meetings could also maintain X3J3 membership during this period. generic agenda for joint X3J3/WG5 meetings ------------------------------------------ Monday am - Joint Opening Session pm - Technical Subgroup or Country Delegation Meetings (1) Tuesday am - Joint Session (WG5 and X3J3 agenda items, as appropriate) (2) pm - Technical Subgroup Meetings Wednesday am - Joint Session (WG5 and X3J3 agenda items, as appropriate) pm - Technical Subgroup Meetings Thursday am - Joint Session (WG5 and X3J3 agenda items, as appropriate) pm - Country Delegation Meetings Friday am - Joint Session (WG5 and X3J3 agenda items, as appropriate) pm - Joint Closing Session (1) X3J3 membership is governed by the X3/SD-2 rules on membership. (Anyone can be a member of X3J3 by satisfying the meeting attendance and letter ballot requirements and by paying the $300 annual fee.) Under this joint meeting arrangement all US members of X3J3 automatically would become members of the US country delegation to the WG5 meeting; presumably a similar situiation could apply to other countries as well. (2) Each joint session agenda item is identified as either a WG5 agenda item or an X3J3 agenda item. When votes are taken, the voting rules are those of the committee specified in the agenda item. There are, of course, many potential problems with such an approach, for example: - 2.5 meetings per year, effectively, may not be enough for X3J3 to discharge its responsibilities - 0.5 meetings per year, effectively, may not be enough for WG5 to perform its duties - this might increase "every other meeting" attendance at X3J3 meetings and thereby hurt effectiveness - the L12 checks and balances might in fact be compromised On the other hand, effective use of email and electronic documents might allow this meeting pattern to be adequate, and the two committees working more closely together might increase efficiency and decrease "turn around time" for revisions. What do you all think? Regards. Jerry