From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Dec 10 19:49:23 2024 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 4CFD2356D2B; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:49:23 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com (tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com [209.67.128.156]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBC2356B58 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:49:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail pickup service by tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 10:49:19 -0800 X-RTLoop:1 auth-sender:billlong@centurylink.net Received: from 98.147.21.126 unverified ([98.147.21.126]) by tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 10:49:17 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) Subject: Re: [J3] [SC22WG5.6629] Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [ukfortran] 2025 WG5/J3meetingin Berkeley From: Bill Long In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 08:49:16 -1000 Cc: General J3 interest list , WG5 List , "C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <01D5FA7F-0D69-4763-ACC9-49CB1E7B5FE7@centurylink.net> References: <5fceffad-c2da-43b1-ab99-7ac33dae4481@ornl.gov> <20241206191042.9CFC6357070@www.open-std.org> <20241206235554.D945D357070@www.open-std.org> To: Jeff Hammond X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A006367.67588D2D.004A,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail2world.com; s=dev; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; t=1733856558; h=from; bh=aT+Qn8lsY6zBWDJpcEmkD5+YsUl9e5NTxgzWYIKxsxU=; b=ZajJzRG0LrhaXXA+wfxDJkNDkkMl9MoDnPXZZ3kOwV8zGfUK/Z3/Ox6AStpQpAU8Dxa4mZNMHL/ u0KoWGZ39bW5TrH2VV+y91Y1ZlYp55KockioSiy6/65uZiKJUwMT5vJkul63/tUu28fVYFxCfq0ew 0r4VMgB1rAAC8sJK4FnvHg7ndIkQJMR0zfomtE6WfgFszbcllpsW5gkFOy2hiDCt1VzTm8IYoi8O1 TeIaScHS0xOZCrcPTr5bPn/QhAx9GT8vyJl8/TCdgivZJfcJT8WNBfxd2BZrJHf2yzii9uQPFJi26 n36jbUrQYvHQhQhOF51sNiTH1EKhtWFNVV5w== X-CTCH-Spam: Suspect X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A006367.67588D2E.0045,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0,sb=1,sb=1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail2world.com; s=dev; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; t=1733856559; h=from; bh=aT+Qn8lsY6zBWDJpcEmkD5+YsUl9e5NTxgzWYIKxsxU=; b=VIh/LIsyqknOLXZO/1gYeorYtCQeY80zXkpmKExoFFo76PVbsjrVsRlRd82Ndqm9zj6J8gEUA5A /gjABsw/z+oBjcER9mhjrMHbpicipoVvNUAL9T3F8CHVzkuJzpQck09IG/J2zQPUTYB99xwD5AZiF L5WKVtvnUIfwwPVMKq6FPZ415YHS3QcVIo+swz2sSjwIoxAedeb2T8OxYigAtRdytbQqWk5Kg9Rwe NNUAm9rVa7VgMUERFWMPdIRzB5POP3jfT0EMFtiqeKdL3/wFl6eYVfb9e+cygCkuNBtLYdYHg+w5S lDchdVlWnWHarthLj3T3vlgdXgZ2AznLAnmw== X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2024 18:49:19.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[38496BC0:01DB4B34] Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk > On Dec 6, 2024, at 11:10 PM, Jeff Hammond = wrote: >=20 > Honolulu and Las Vegas are hostile to European participation either = on-site or virtual Honolulu was in the running for SC meetings because it has a large = convention center, which is not needed for WG5 meetings. Its main virtue = for WG5 is being closer to Japan. (Though Tokyo is even closer, and we = have held WG5 meetings there.) WG5 has historically had many meetings = in Las Vegas.=20 European access to Honolulu would be via a polar flight, and not that = much farther than many other places in the southern part of the US. The = flights to Berkeley would be shorter since Berkeley is MUCH farther = North. But Berkeley and Las Vegas both suffer for virtual attendees, = both being in the US Pacific time zone.=20 >=20 > Nvidia opposes ISO meetings in Hawaii because of the appearance that = attendees are using it as an excuse to ake a vacation on someone = else=E2=80=99s dime. >=20 > There are plenty of hotels in other parts of the US, and I don=E2=80=99t= see why the weather matters. We work inside. But we walk outside from a hotel (or other housing) to the meeting = location. And to dinner. (I would, thus, not be excited about Las Vegas = in June because of the extreme heat.) Cheers, Bill >=20 > Jeff >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On 7. Dec 2024, at 1.56, Bill Long via J3 = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFExternal email: Use caution opening links or attachments >>=20 >>=20 >> I generally agree with those who find fault with a meting that = overlaps with July 4. If the meeting ends up in Berkeley. since July 4 = is a major holiday in the US. , i assume there would be issues with the = Lab being potentially closed. >>=20 >> If we have the meeting in the UK, Manchester (ARM hosting) would be = more convenient as several of us already =E2=80=9Cknow=E2=80=99 that = city from a past meeting there, >>=20 >> I would note that we had a meeting once at a University campus = (TU-Dresden in Germany) and it seemed to go OK. >>=20 >> During this year=E2=80=99s Supercomputing Conference (held in = Atlanta) a group of us over lunch discussed possible alternatives for = locations. Based on three criterion (a large enough convention center, = lots of hotel rooms, and warm weather in November - at least = predictable) we narrowed the list of two candidates; Las Vegas and = Honolulu. Both are easy for travel, though Honolulu can tend to be a = bit expensive. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m still not clear on why our June meeting needs to have a = J3/INCITS component as opposed to being fully a WG5 meeting. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> BIll >>=20 >> (Writing from Honolulu where the daytime highs are still in the low = 80=E2=80=99s (F), even in December.) >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 6, 2024, at 9:10 AM, Steve Lionel via J3 = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >>> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 -0500 >>> From: Reuben D. Budiardja >>> To: General J3 interest list >>> CC: Steve Lionel >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm supportive of preserving = US - non-US pattern as it would help strengthening engagements from all = NBs. >>>=20 >>> I'd note that the first week in the list would overlap with a US = holiday (Independence day). >>>=20 >>> I have potential conflicts with the late July and early August = dates; Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very much like = to avoid traveling. >>>=20 >>> Is the earlier week in June that Steve originally proposed for = Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not available? >>>=20 >>> Best, >>> Reuben >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote: >>>> Malcolm alerted me to the fact that this message from Chris Brady = didn't make it to the J3 list. Normally, if a non-member submits to that = list, it is held for moderation, but that did not happen here, so I = don't quite know what happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email = address, either, so he can't see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!) >>>>=20 >>>> Unfortunately, the list of weeks available that Chris offers don't = contain any I think are workable (at least I can't make any of them). = Does anyone disagree? >>>>=20 >>>> Steve >>>>=20 >>>> From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org On = Behalf Of Brady, Christopher >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM >>>> To: Nathan Sircombe ; General J3 interest = list >>>> Cc: Bill Long ; WG5 List = >>>> Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have been looking at = getting things sorted so that we can offer to host it at Warwick = University. I've managed to get approval for us to host it with a few (I = hope minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the restrictions = are >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Warwick does have some lovely conference facilities, but on this = notice, I can't put enough money on the budget for booking them. We'd = have to use rooms in one of the academic departments. I've managed to = get "in principle" reservation for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in the = brand new, award winning Faculty of Arts building. All of the rooms have = projectors, good network facilities and built in presenter computers. We = can get USB connected video conferencing gear, so there shouldn't be any = problems with video links, but there isn't a dedicated video = conferencing suite. We do have public wireless internet available to = anyone on site. >>>>=20 >>>> 2. Because of having to use teaching rooms it = would have to be one of the following weeks >>>> 30th June to 4th July >>>> 7th July to 11th July >>>> 28th July to 1st August >>>> 4th August to 8th August >>>> 11th August to 15th August >>>> 18th August to 22nd August >>>> 25th August to 29th August >>>> 1st September to 5th September >>>> 8th September to 12th September >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The two missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the = only possible dates for people then they are available, but they would = need people to book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the = campus gets. Given how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th July = would be simplest, but if people are interested in this suggestion in = general then I could put out a poll for people to select when would be = best. It would be best if I booked rooms etc. by early-ish in January, = but this isn't a terribly fast timescale. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> We can provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches = etc. and we will able to offer a conference dinner included as well. I = know that some people have rules that they have to work within on = accepting hospitality etc. and we can take payment for the = conference dinners separately in these cases. >>>>=20 >>>> We can provide rooms in the on campus conference accommodation = blocks where we should be able to offer an "internal" discount code that = will give you B&B prices of =C2=A355 for single rooms and =C2=A370 for = double/twin rooms. These are our conference centre rooms, not the = student halls and I believe that it includes parking costs. We can help = people with booking into other hotels if they want and there are several = within easy travelling distance of the university, but we can't block = book any of them because our policy is to only offer off campus = accommodation if we can't offer on campus. If people do want to stay off = campus then there are good transport links to campus by bus, taxi and = car. There is a charge for parking on campus, but it can be booked in = advance online, or paid on the day by phone or parking app. >>>>=20 >>>> 5. While Warwick is a campus university and offers = all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a sports centre and a = small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride from either Coventry = or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the facilities on campus. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> If this is of interest to people, please let me know and I can sort = out about dates and then finalise arrangements. Similarly, if there is = anything that I have missed, please let me know. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Chris Brady >>>>=20 >>>> Senior Research Software Engineer >>>>=20 >>>> Scientific Computing Research Technology Platform >>>>=20 >>>> University of Warwick >>>>=20 >>>> CV4 7AL >>>>=20 >>>> United Kingdom >>>>=20 >>=20 >> Bill Long >> billlong@centurylink.net >>=20 >>=20 Bill Long billlong@centurylink.net