From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Dec 10 18:06:11 2024 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 0F16A357056; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:06:11 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org X-Greylist: delayed 1194 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at www5.open-std.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:06:10 CET Received: from mx0f-00689501.gpphosted.com (mx0f-00689501.gpphosted.com [67.231.155.186]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F31356CE8 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:06:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from pps.filterd (m0329784.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0e-00689501.gpphosted.com (8.18.1.2/8.18.1.2) with ESMTP id 4BACx6PC015329; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:46:10 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ornl.gov; h=message-id : date : mime-version : subject : to : cc : references : from : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=pp1; bh=6EvjEOTWYrT7cc5F82uniBogDsHU0h2RybIzSIRbLbI=; b=Wx55eQKAyTZo5cW67svFks50Yo3d20YCDotj9I8/D9Wsx0BGNxgCOAoZMMhOxpWjEJEu w/NdfY/tybUWWTYtF2ZltyaheI/Ozf3hsHAbRa39ZZD5b19RQkh66uGKT4Is5/PeO3++ Bbl371B3rDkM4D/bgOjZ/fpym/N1HRJlHDG9qfNwqLr8bHfH8RgK+Lj+70pd2rM3hi1K F84eliLxhhlWX33wzvsyc8wNIz4CuKJLYQdsMkaxho/0ND+ueptLGiN80lUqYRxuB6wP hrCUQ9//ZJYkPzC9ZwFeNzzx1Q6p+wKppfxSVjBSiCXUqEkPQLRV8IXuGgYW3K5DeDIR Iw== Received: from emgwy1.ornl.gov ([160.91.254.9]) by mx0e-00689501.gpphosted.com (PPS) with ESMTPS id 43cf77y20j-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:46:09 +0000 Received: from relay.ornl.gov (relay01.ornl.gov [10.149.11.118]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emgwy1.ornl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y74PF0RxlzyfK; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.159.15.54] (lap141844.ornl.gov [10.159.15.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay.ornl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0838420199; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d7fce7d-1b77-4e38-9210-e76ca9015e9a@ornl.gov> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:46:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting To: General J3 interest list , Steve Lionel , WG5 List Cc: Nathan Sircombe , "Brady, Christopher" References: <20241206235331.5C35D357007@www.open-std.org> <20241207112057.4E0A1357068@www.open-std.org> <20241207175010.469CA35708F@www.open-std.org> <20241209135205.F297E35702F@www.open-std.org> <37c0c795-b480-4666-8d28-151adb9a8fe0@stevelionel.com> Content-Language: en-US From: "Reuben D. Budiardja" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Proofpoint-GUID: -G-YmnfOhZjkKsyr5Gbg5VIffB-KP27D X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: -G-YmnfOhZjkKsyr5Gbg5VIffB-KP27D X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1057,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.68.34 definitions=2024-12-10_09,2024-12-10_01,2024-11-22_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=oubound_notspam policy=oubound score=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2411120000 definitions=main-2412100124 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk Hi Chris and Nathan, Just wanted to say I appreciate the efforts for you all to try to host us in 2025. But I guess it's just too short of a notice. Hopefully this can happen in future WG5 meeting (2026 sounds like a good idea) and we'll discuss this more. Kate and Damian, thanks for stepping up and hosting us in Berkeley for 2025 WG5. Best, Reuben On 12/9/24 12:25, Nathan Sircombe via J3 wrote: > Hi > >>If people would like a non-US host for 2026, I'm happy to say that we > can do that at Warwick and start planning it now. > > Personally, I think that sounds like a good idea under the > circumstances, I’m a bit biased, but  I think Warwick’s a good venue. > Planning for them to host in 2026 now makes sure the event can go into > Warwick Conferences’ busy schedule, and means we’ve just a ‘blip’ in the > US / non-US cadence (maybe could consider two non-US meetings, in 2026 > and 2027, to even up?). > > Cheers > > Nathan. > > *From: *J3 on behalf of Brady, > Christopher via J3 > *Date: *Monday, 9 December 2024 at 5:19 PM > *To: *Steve Lionel , WG5 List > *Cc: *Brady, Christopher > *Subject: *[J3] [SC22WG5.6647] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting > > I'm afraid that it does look as though sorting out accommodation at this > notice is being very difficult. In order to give everybody certainty we > should go back to the plan to host it at LBL. If people would like a > non-US host for 2026, I'm happy to say that we can do that at Warwick > and start planning it now. > > I really am sorry if this has been a source of trouble for people, > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Steve Lionel > *Sent:* 09 December 2024 4:47 PM > *To:* WG5 List ; Brady, Christopher > > *Subject:* Re: 2025 WG5/J3 meeting > > Damian, Chris is saying that the week of the 23rd DOESN'T work - it does > work for me.  He had earlier suggested the week of June 30, which I can > also do, but others reasonably noted that this covers a US holiday, > which may be an issue for some. Unfortunately I have unchangeable > commitments for the July and August weeks. > > I've been trying to pin down arrangements for 2025 since before last > June's meeting, which makes this all the more frustrating. In the more > distant past we've arranged WG5 meetings two years in advance, but we > also had more members offer to host. Six months notice of dates is NOT > enough for some members, and as we've seen it can be problematic for > hosts, too. ISO wants us to schedule meetings two years out (which is > why we have a placeholder for 2026 at present), and I'd like to see if > we can get back to that. > > I think that the availability of lodging is a critical piece of this. > > Steve > > On 12/9/2024 11:16 AM, Damian Rouson via J3 wrote: > > Chris, unless I’m misunderstanding, your response presumes that the > week of the 23rd is the only week that works.  Steve is the only > person who has indicated that week doesn’t work. > > We’re happy to host at LBL, but I care more about the workings of > the committee than I do about where the meeting is held.  When you > have generously research and offered so many options, I don’t think > it’s a good idea for the committee to reject all of those options > because of one person can’t make it no matter who that person is.  I > might be the most vocal and least shy, but I’m confident that I’m > not alone in this opinion. > > Damian > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 08:09 Brady, Christopher > > wrote: > > I should just add that I have asked the conference people at > Warwick what other (if any) dates in that general time have > fully booked accommodation but I don't have an answer yet. I > think that the 23rd being booked is a random unusual event, but > I can't guarantee yet that somehow they aren't being booked out > fully six months in advance. I really don't want to back out at > this point, but unless people are willing to take the risk that > they'd have to stay in a hotel a bus ride away from the > university then then it might be better to go back to the LBL plan. > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) > > *Sent:* 09 December 2024 3:06 PM > *To:* Damian Rouson > > *Cc:* General J3 interest list >; WG5 List > >; Brady, > Christopher > > > > *Subject:* Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] > 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > Of course – just meant that it may not be as simple as naming an > alternate. > > * Tom > > *From: *Damian Rouson > > *Date: *Monday, December 9, 2024 at 10:00 AM > *To: *Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) > > *Cc: *General J3 interest list >, WG5 List > >, Brady, > Christopher > > *Subject: *Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] > 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > If that's the case, then it's a bug in the rules, but we're > discussing meetings that are more than six months away.  I'd be > surprised if the requisite training couldn't happen between now > and the meeting > > Damian > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 5:58 AM Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) > > wrote: > > While missing Steve’s presence would be unfortunate in > itself, it may not be so simple to arrange a proxy.   I > suspect there is some training that ISO expects the convener > to have completed. > > ·Tom > > *From: *J3 > on behalf of > Damian Rouson via J3 > > *Date: *Monday, December 9, 2024 at 8:52 AM > *To: *General J3 interest list > > *Cc: *Damian Rouson >, WG5 List >, Brady, Christopher > > > *Subject: *[BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] > 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > *CAUTION:*This email originated from outside of NASA. > Please take care when clicking links or opening > attachments.  Use the "Report Message" button to report > suspicious messages to the NASA SOC. > > But there are still all the other weeks.   I think we need > something analogous to a Doodle poll but for weeks instead > of the usual hourly time slots. My sense is that most weeks > work for most people. We may need a proxy for the convener, > but it doesn’t seem fair to turn down all the other weeks > because one person can only make it one week out of so many > options. > > Damian > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 03:24 Brady, Christopher via J3 > > wrote: > > Hello all. I'm very sorry to have to say that after all > of this back and forth it appears that there has been a > miscommunication about the availability of the > accommodation at Warwick for that week. It looks as > though somehow the night of the 23rd was completely > booked out in both of the conference centers while I was > talking to our conferencing teams and now is unavailable. > > I'm really sorry to have to do this, after having > already made so much noise here, but I'm afraid that I'm > going to have to say that we can't offer to host it at > Warwick on the dates that work for people. > > I must say that this is very much not my usual > experience with Warwick conferences who are generally > excellent, and I can only assume that this was a > consequence of my trying to get this idea together very > fast. > > Apologies for giving everyone the runaround on this, > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org > > > on behalf of Steve > Lionel > > *Sent:* 07 December 2024 5:50 PM > *To:* WG5 List >; Brady, Christopher > > > *Subject:* [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6636] [J3] [EXTERNAL] > 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > Looking at Google Maps, I don't see any hotels within > reasonable walking > distance of the Warwick campus. Have I missed something? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > ukfortran mailing list -- ukfortran@accu.org > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy > the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Reuben D. Budiardja, Ph.D. reubendb@ornl.gov | (865) 576-9519 National Center for Computational Sciences Oak Ridge National Laboratory