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(GSFC-6101)" , General J3 interest list , WG5 List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005d9c830628d8af74" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --0000000000005d9c830628d8af74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, unless I=E2=80=99m misunderstanding, your response presumes that the= week of the 23rd is the only week that works. Steve is the only person who has indicated that week doesn=E2=80=99t work. We=E2=80=99re happy to host at LBL, but I care more about the workings of t= he committee than I do about where the meeting is held. When you have generously research and offered so many options, I don=E2=80=99t think it= =E2=80=99s a good idea for the committee to reject all of those options because of one person can=E2=80=99t make it no matter who that person is. I might be the most vo= cal and least shy, but I=E2=80=99m confident that I=E2=80=99m not alone in this opi= nion. Damian On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 08:09 Brady, Christopher wrote: > I should just add that I have asked the conference people at Warwick what > other (if any) dates in that general time have fully booked accommodation > but I don't have an answer yet. I think that the 23rd being booked is a > random unusual event, but I can't guarantee yet that somehow they aren't > being booked out fully six months in advance. I really don't want to back > out at this point, but unless people are willing to take the risk that > they'd have to stay in a hotel a bus ride away from the university then > then it might be better to go back to the LBL plan. > > Chris > ------------------------------ > *From:* Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) > *Sent:* 09 December 2024 3:06 PM > *To:* Damian Rouson > *Cc:* General J3 interest list ; WG5 List < > sc22wg5@open-std.org>; Brady, Christopher > > *Subject:* Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 > WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > > Of course =E2=80=93 just meant that it may not be as simple as naming an = alternate. > > > > - Tom > > > > *From: *Damian Rouson > *Date: *Monday, December 9, 2024 at 10:00=E2=80=AFAM > *To: *Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) > *Cc: *General J3 interest list , WG5 List < > sc22wg5@open-std.org>, Brady, Christopher > *Subject: *Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 > WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley > > If that's the case, then it's a bug in the rules, but we're discussing > meetings that are more than six months away. I'd be surprised if the > requisite training couldn't happen between now and the meeting > > > > Damian > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 5:58=E2=80=AFAM Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) < > thomas.l.clune@nasa.gov> wrote: > > While missing Steve=E2=80=99s presence would be unfortunate in itself, it= may not > be so simple to arrange a proxy. I suspect there is some training that > ISO expects the convener to have completed. > > > > =C2=B7 Tom > > > > *From: *J3 on behalf of Damian Rouson > via J3 > *Date: *Monday, December 9, 2024 at 8:52=E2=80=AFAM > *To: *General J3 interest list > *Cc: *Damian Rouson , WG5 List , > Brady, Christopher > *Subject: *[BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 WG5/J3 > meeting in Berkeley > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of NASA. Please take care > when clicking links or opening attachments. Use the "Report Message" > button to report suspicious messages to the NASA SOC. > > > > But there are still all the other weeks. I think we need something > analogous to a Doodle poll but for weeks instead of the usual hourly time > slots. My sense is that most weeks work for most people. We may need a > proxy for the convener, but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem fair to turn down all= the other > weeks because one person can only make it one week out of so many options= . > > > > Damian > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 03:24 Brady, Christopher via J3 < > j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote: > > Hello all. I'm very sorry to have to say that after all of this back and > forth it appears that there has been a miscommunication about the > availability of the accommodation at Warwick for that week. It looks as > though somehow the night of the 23rd was completely booked out in both of > the conference centers while I was talking to our conferencing teams and > now is unavailable. > > > > I'm really sorry to have to do this, after having already made so much > noise here, but I'm afraid that I'm going to have to say that we can't > offer to host it at Warwick on the dates that work for people. > > > > I must say that this is very much not my usual experience with Warwick > conferences who are generally excellent, and I can only assume that this > was a consequence of my trying to get this idea together very fast. > > > > Apologies for giving everyone the runaround on this, > > > > Chris > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org on behalf > of Steve Lionel > *Sent:* 07 December 2024 5:50 PM > *To:* WG5 List ; Brady, Christopher < > C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk> > *Subject:* [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6636] [J3] [EXTERNAL] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting > in Berkeley > > > > Looking at Google Maps, I don't see any hotels within reasonable walking > distance of the Warwick campus. Have I missed something? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > ukfortran mailing list -- ukfortran@accu.org > %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s > > --0000000000005d9c830628d8af74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris, unless I=E2=80=99m misunderstanding, your response= presumes that the week of the 23rd is the only week that works.=C2=A0 Stev= e is the only person who has indicated that week doesn=E2=80=99t work.=C2= =A0

We=E2=80=99re happy = to host at LBL, but I care more about the workings of the committee than I = do about where the meeting is held.=C2=A0 When you have generously research= and offered so many options, I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s a good ide= a for the committee to reject all of those options because of one person ca= n=E2=80=99t make it no matter who that person is.=C2=A0 I might be the most= vocal and least shy, but I=E2=80=99m confident that I=E2=80=99m not alone = in this opinion.=C2=A0

D= amian

On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 08:09 Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
I should just add that I have asked the conference people at Warwick what o= ther (if any) dates in that general time have fully booked accommodation bu= t I don't have an answer yet. I think that the 23rd being booked is a r= andom unusual event, but I can't guarantee yet that somehow they aren't being booked out fully six months in adva= nce. I really don't want to back out at this point, but unless people a= re willing to take the risk that they'd have to stay in a hotel a bus r= ide away from the university then then it might be better to go back to the LBL plan.

Chris
From: = Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) <thomas.l.clune@nasa.gov>
Sent: 09 December 2024 3:06 PM
To: Damian Rouson <rouson@lbl.gov>
Cc: General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>; WG5 List <= ;sc22wg5@open-std= .org>; Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley
=C2=A0

Of course =E2=80=93 just meant that it = may not be as simple as naming an alternate.

=C2=A0

  • Tom

=C2=A0

From: Damian Rouson <rouson@lbl.gov>
Date: Monday, December 9, 2024 at 10:00=E2=80=AFAM
To: Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) <thomas.l.clune@nasa.gov>
Cc: General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>, WG5 List <= ;sc22wg5@open-std= .org>, Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley

If that'= s the case, then it's a bug in the rules, but we're discussing meet= ings that are more than six months away.=C2=A0 I'd be surprised if the = requisite training couldn't happen between now and the meeting

=C2=A0

Damian

=C2=A0

On Mon, Dec = 9, 2024 at 5:58=E2=80=AFAM Cl= une, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) <thomas.l.clune@nasa.gov> wrote:

While missin= g Steve=E2=80=99s presence would be unfortunate in itself, it may not be so= simple to arrange a proxy.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I suspect there is some training th= at ISO expects the convener to have completed.

=C2=A0

=C2=B7=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tom

=C2=A0

From: J3 <j3-bounces@mailm= an.j3-fortran.org> on behalf of Damian Rouson via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.o= rg>
Date: Monday, December 9, 2024 at 8:52=E2=80=AFAM
To: General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Cc: Damian Rouson <rouson@lbl.gov>, WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>, Brady, Christopher = <C.S.Brady@= warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: [BULK] [J3] [SC22WG5.6639] [ukfortran] [EXTERNAL] 2025 WG5/= J3 meeting in Berkeley

CAUTION: This email originated from outside= of NASA.=C2=A0 Please take care when clicking links or opening attachments= .=C2=A0 Use the "Report Message" button to report suspicious messages to the NAS= A=C2=A0SOC.

=C2=A0

But there a= re still all the other weeks. =C2=A0 I think we need something analogous to= a Doodle poll but for weeks instead of the usual hourly time slots. My sen= se is that most weeks work for most people. We may need a proxy for the convener, but it doesn= =E2=80=99t seem fair to turn down all the other weeks because one person ca= n only make it one week out of so many options. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Damian

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mon, Dec= 9, 2024 at 03:24 Brady, Christopher via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote= :

Hello all. I'm very sorry to have to say that after all of this back a= nd forth it appears that there has been a miscommunication about the availa= bility of the accommodation at Warwick for that week. It looks as though somehow the night of the 23rd= was completely booked out in both of the conference centers while I was ta= lking to our conferencing teams and now is unavailable.

=C2=A0

I'm really sorry to have to do this, after having already made so much= noise here, but I'm afraid that I'm going to have to say that we c= an't offer to host it at Warwick on the dates that work for people.=

=C2=A0

I must say that this is very much not my usual experience with Warwick con= ferences who are generally excellent, and I can only assume that this was a= consequence of my trying to get this idea together very fast.

=C2=A0

Apologies for giving everyone the runaround on this,

=C2=A0

Chris

=C2=A0

From: owner-sc22w= g5@open-std.org <owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org> on behalf of Steve Lionel &= lt;steve@steveli= onel.com>
Sent: 07 December 2024 5:50 PM
To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>; Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk&g= t;
Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6636] [J3] [EXTERNAL] 2025 WG5/J3 meet= ing in Berkeley

=C2=A0

Looking at Google Maps, I don't see any hotels within reasonable walki= ng
distance of the Warwick campus. Have I missed something?

Steve

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