From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Sat Dec 7 08:02:50 2024 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 55519357068; Sat, 7 Dec 2024 08:02:50 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com (tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com [209.67.128.156]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3E3356B63 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2024 08:02:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail pickup service by tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2024 23:02:44 -0800 auth-sender:billlong@centurylink.net Received: from 98.147.21.124 unverified ([98.147.21.124]) by tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server; Fri, 06 Dec 2024 23:02:43 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) Subject: Re: [J3] [SC22WG5.6630] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley From: Bill Long In-Reply-To: <20241207005611.05D6E357070@www.open-std.org> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 21:02:42 -1000 Cc: WG5 List , Gary Klimowicz , "Brady, Christopher" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C22594B-3F82-4547-AD0D-9E328F83E0D7@centurylink.net> References: <20241206235331.5C35D357007@www.open-std.org> <20241207005611.05D6E357070@www.open-std.org> To: General J3 interest list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A006370.6753F314.002B,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=mail2world.com; s=dev; c=simple/simple; q=dns/txt; t=1733554964; h=from; bh=RaoJlC9B7MNLh/qIZj8kg7KzPo8PTFioFDQrZtlqOZ4=; b=Eue7+TtcPlaasW8Ip2wHjacGTIOwCvZm6+npgxFhjA4DXdBiK/dzHEuLleH3nEuWtkUhrAEiRM8 cvnC536gCVHxM/AWDpc4j7Y3CUfX1EnBkXjFEg8OrwAXnSYlVsHTWmGT7Fdto9xl3uDyGM0hw5sCJ QI75huzyeNoxIAXm0W9kFJznTH1ap/V32LnR2CQftrQPP+Wdo7vpG63CDD9vxNeoeJH1NcZ3RdDva LAuy5FWuWCi5oSb17CDxIorpqadECeRdvtLG5MeQtJORvRjmQbf3ArNNjYXx3JVM2pmwL/e9ni5JJ ra4SAvCyvGOMYVkTR2HLOT1pzoZFRHwy10DA== X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2024 07:02:44.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[041D4710:01DB4876] Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk > On Dec 6, 2024, at 2:56 PM, Gary Klimowicz via J3 = wrote: >=20 > It=E2=80=99s not my weekend yet, so here=E2=80=99s my take. >=20 > I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I will go along = whatever is best for the whole group. >=20 > In person in the UK is much better for me than remote from the US West = Coast. >=20 > Berkeley is always acceptable to me as well. Facilities, hosts, and = Berkeley are all great. But only if the non-US folk can attend in force. I agrree with Gary that Berkeley has been a great meeting place for = many reasons. But then, Las Vegas proved highly desirable as well, yet = has fallen off =E2=80=9Cthe list=E2=80=9D. . If we want a =E2=80=9Cnon-US=E2=80=9D location, I might remind people = that we had a meeting in Canada hosted by IBM that wen well ((n my = opinion). Given the recent spate of layoffs in the US computer industry, = we might want to avoid such hosts.=20 I=E2=80=99m not sure if we can argue that Honolulu is =E2=80=9Cnon-US=E2=80= =9D, but it would be a iot shorter trip for those coming from Japan,=20 Cheers, Bill >=20 > I am neutral on dates, except that I know some folk can=E2=80=99t meet = on the Fourth of July. (If it=E2=80=99s WG5 only, maybe only meet three = days? I remain neutral about all that, too.) >=20 > Gary >=20 >> On Dec 6, 2024, at 15:53, Steve Lionel via J3 = wrote: >>=20 >> The issue here is that you're not a member of the J3 list - I've = added you there as an acceptable sender. I'm unsure what the WG5 list is = doing (it uses the J3 list as a subset.) >>=20 >> It looks as if one flies to Birmingham (BHX) and takes a train to = Coventry - is that right? >>=20 >> I'd appreciate more responses from possible attendees as to whether = they'd rather meet at Warwick (Coventry) than Berkeley for this next = meeting. I understand it is now the weekend, so let's try to have this = sorted by the 12th. >>=20 >> Steve >>=20 >> On 12/6/2024 6:07 PM, Brady, Christopher wrote: >>> Right, I've made sure that all of the lists are included this time. = Looking back I still had the WG5 list, but I had lost the other two = lists. If anyone spots that it hasn't appeared anywhere could you please = forward it? >>>=20 >>> You're right that these are teaching rooms, but I am afraid that = moving into term time rather limits what is available. None of the = furniture is fixed down so it can be reconfigured to have people facing = each other but I know that it isn't as good a solution as a proper = conference facility would be. >>>=20 >>> I don't have very much more room for maneuver on the rooms since it = is quite hard to get four rooms that are at all close together and about = the right size in term time. I've done preliminary reservations on those = rooms and can hold them for a couple of weeks, so I think that that has = to represent the best that I can offer at Warwick. If the overall = consensus is that LBL would be better then I'll release the reservations = and if there is interest in moving back out of the US in 2026 then I can = probably get something a bit more conference-centre-ish together for = then. >>>=20 >>> Chris >>> From: Steve Lionel >>> Sent: 06 December 2024 10:12 PM >>> To: WG5 List >>> Cc: Brady, Christopher >>> Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 = meeting in Berkeley >>> =20 >>> I don't think the general WG5 or J3 list saw this. >>>=20 >>> 24 people is probably workable for the "plenary" room, 14-16 for the = breakout rooms is plenty. However, looking at the videos it seems that = each of these rooms are set up for lectures (unsurprisingly), and it's = not clear if we could reconfigure the tables so that we could see each = other, as the tables are attached to one wall. >>>=20 >>> I think the June 23 week would work better. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >>> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:57:32 +0000 >>> From: Brady, Christopher >>> To: Steve Lionel , WG5 List = >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I've talked to some people and I have managed to find four suitable = rooms in the week starting the 23rd June 2025, so I could offer the same = basic plans in that week if this date would be better for people? The = only limitation is that the largest room that I've been able to get is = for 24 people, and the other three rooms are for 14, 14 and 16 people. = If these numbers (or anything else) look like they will be a problem = then I'm afraid that I am happy to withdraw and offer to host in 2026. >>>=20 >>> If you want to see the rooms for suitability then they are >>> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab105 >>> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab106 >>> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab108 >>> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab109 >>>=20 >>> If the rooms really are unsuitable, then do please say so. >>>=20 >>> Chris >>> From: Steve Lionel >>> Sent: 06 December 2024 7:10 PM >>> To: WG5 List >>> Cc: Brady, Christopher >>> Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 = meeting in Berkeley >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >>> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 -0500 >>> From: Reuben D. Budiardja >>> To: General J3 interest list >>> CC: Steve Lionel >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm supportive of preserving = US - non-US pattern as it would help strengthening engagements from all = NBs. >>>=20 >>> I'd note that the first week in the list would overlap with a US = holiday (Independence day). >>>=20 >>> I have potential conflicts with the late July and early August = dates; Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very much like = to avoid traveling. >>>=20 >>> Is the earlier week in June that Steve originally proposed for = Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not available? >>>=20 >>> Best, >>> Reuben >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote: >>>> Malcolm alerted me to the fact that this message from Chris Brady = didn't make it to the J3 list. Normally, if a non-member submits to that = list, it is held for moderation, but that did not happen here, so I = don't quite know what happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email = address, either, so he can't see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!) >>>>=20 >>>> Unfortunately, the list of weeks available that Chris offers don't = contain any I think are workable (at least I can't make any of them). = Does anyone disagree? >>>>=20 >>>> Steve >>>>=20 >>>> From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org On = Behalf Of Brady, Christopher >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM >>>> To: Nathan Sircombe ; General J3 interest = list >>>> Cc: Bill Long ; WG5 List = >>>> Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have been looking at = getting things sorted so that we can offer to host it at Warwick = University. I've managed to get approval for us to host it with a few (I = hope minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the restrictions = are >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Warwick does have some lovely conference facilities, but on = this notice, I can't put enough money on the budget for booking them. = We'd have to use rooms in one of the academic departments. I've managed = to get "in principle" reservation for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in = the brand new, award winning Faculty of Arts building. All of the rooms = have projectors, good network facilities and built in presenter = computers. We can get USB connected video conferencing gear, so there = shouldn't be any problems with video links, but there isn't a dedicated = video conferencing suite. We do have public wireless internet available = to anyone on site. >>>>=20 >>>> 2. Because of having to use teaching rooms it = would have to be one of the following weeks >>>> 30th June to 4th July >>>> 7th July to 11th July >>>> 28th July to 1st August >>>> 4th August to 8th August >>>> 11th August to 15th August >>>> 18th August to 22nd August >>>> 25th August to 29th August >>>> 1st September to 5th September >>>> 8th September to 12th September >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The two missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the = only possible dates for people then they are available, but they would = need people to book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the = campus gets. Given how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th July = would be simplest, but if people are interested in this suggestion in = general then I could put out a poll for people to select when would be = best. It would be best if I booked rooms etc. by early-ish in January, = but this isn't a terribly fast timescale. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> We can provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches = etc. and we will able to offer a conference dinner included as well. I = know that some people have rules that they have to work within on = accepting hospitality etc. and we can take payment for the conference = dinners separately in these cases. >>>>=20 >>>> We can provide rooms in the on campus conference accommodation = blocks where we should be able to offer an "internal" discount code that = will give you B&B prices of =C2=A355 for single rooms and =C2=A370 for = double/twin rooms. These are our conference centre rooms, not the = student halls and I believe that it includes parking costs. We can help = people with booking into other hotels if they want and there are several = within easy travelling distance of the university, but we can't block = book any of them because our policy is to only offer off campus = accommodation if we can't offer on campus. If people do want to stay off = campus then there are good transport links to campus by bus, taxi and = car. There is a charge for parking on campus, but it can be booked in = advance online, or paid on the day by phone or parking app. >>>>=20 >>>> 5. While Warwick is a campus university and offers = all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a sports centre and a = small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride from either Coventry = or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the facilities on campus. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> If this is of interest to people, please let me know and I can sort = out about dates and then finalise arrangements. Similarly, if there is = anything that I have missed, please let me know. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Chris Brady >>>>=20 >>>> Senior Research Software Engineer >>>>=20 >>>> Scientific Computing Research Technology Platform >>>>=20 >>>> University of Warwick >>>>=20 >>>> CV4 7AL >>>>=20 >>>> United Kingdom >=20 Bill Long billlong@centurylink.net