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I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I will go along whatever = is best for the whole group. In person in the UK is much better for me than remote from the US West = Coast. Berkeley is always acceptable to me as well. Facilities, hosts, and = Berkeley are all great. But only if the non-US folk can attend in force. I am neutral on dates, except that I know some folk can=E2=80=99t meet = on the Fourth of July. (If it=E2=80=99s WG5 only, maybe only meet three = days? I remain neutral about all that, too.) Gary > On Dec 6, 2024, at 15:53, Steve Lionel via J3 = wrote: >=20 > The issue here is that you're not a member of the J3 list - I've added = you there as an acceptable sender. I'm unsure what the WG5 list is doing = (it uses the J3 list as a subset.) >=20 > It looks as if one flies to Birmingham (BHX) and takes a train to = Coventry - is that right? >=20 > I'd appreciate more responses from possible attendees as to whether = they'd rather meet at Warwick (Coventry) than Berkeley for this next = meeting. I understand it is now the weekend, so let's try to have this = sorted by the 12th. >=20 > Steve >=20 > On 12/6/2024 6:07 PM, Brady, Christopher wrote: >> Right, I've made sure that all of the lists are included this time. = Looking back I still had the WG5 list, but I had lost the other two = lists. If anyone spots that it hasn't appeared anywhere could you please = forward it? >>=20 >> You're right that these are teaching rooms, but I am afraid that = moving into term time rather limits what is available. None of the = furniture is fixed down so it can be reconfigured to have people facing = each other but I know that it isn't as good a solution as a proper = conference facility would be. >>=20 >> I don't have very much more room for maneuver on the rooms since it = is quite hard to get four rooms that are at all close together and about = the right size in term time. I've done preliminary reservations on those = rooms and can hold them for a couple of weeks, so I think that that has = to represent the best that I can offer at Warwick. If the overall = consensus is that LBL would be better then I'll release the reservations = and if there is interest in moving back out of the US in 2026 then I can = probably get something a bit more conference-centre-ish together for = then. >>=20 >> Chris >> From: Steve Lionel = >> Sent: 06 December 2024 10:12 PM >> To: WG5 List >> Cc: Brady, Christopher = >> Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 = meeting in Berkeley >> =20 >> I don't think the general WG5 or J3 list saw this. >>=20 >> 24 people is probably workable for the "plenary" room, 14-16 for the = breakout rooms is plenty. However, looking at the videos it seems that = each of these rooms are set up for lectures (unsurprisingly), and it's = not clear if we could reconfigure the tables so that we could see each = other, as the tables are attached to one wall. >>=20 >> I think the June 23 week would work better. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:57:32 +0000 >> From: Brady, Christopher = >> To: Steve Lionel = , WG5 List = >>=20 >> I've talked to some people and I have managed to find four suitable = rooms in the week starting the 23rd June 2025, so I could offer the same = basic plans in that week if this date would be better for people? The = only limitation is that the largest room that I've been able to get is = for 24 people, and the other three rooms are for 14, 14 and 16 people. = If these numbers (or anything else) look like they will be a problem = then I'm afraid that I am happy to withdraw and offer to host in 2026. >>=20 >> If you want to see the rooms for suitability then they are >> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab105 >> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab106 >> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab108 >> = https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominf= ormation/fab109 >>=20 >> If the rooms really are unsuitable, then do please say so. >>=20 >> Chris >> From: Steve Lionel = >> Sent: 06 December 2024 7:10 PM >> To: WG5 List >> Cc: Brady, Christopher = >> Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 = meeting in Berkeley >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 = WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 -0500 >> From: Reuben D. Budiardja = >> To: General J3 interest list = >> CC: Steve Lionel = >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm supportive of preserving US = - non-US pattern as it would help strengthening engagements from all = NBs. >>=20 >> I'd note that the first week in the list would overlap with a US = holiday (Independence day). >>=20 >> I have potential conflicts with the late July and early August dates; = Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very much like to = avoid traveling. >>=20 >> Is the earlier week in June that Steve originally proposed for = Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not available? >>=20 >> Best, >> Reuben >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote: >>> Malcolm alerted me to the fact that this message from Chris Brady = didn't make it to the J3 list. Normally, if a non-member submits to that = list, it is held for moderation, but that did not happen here, so I = don't quite know what happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email = address, either, so he can't see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!) >>>=20 >>> Unfortunately, the list of weeks available that Chris offers don't = contain any I think are workable (at least I can't make any of them). = Does anyone disagree? >>>=20 >>> Steve >>>=20 >>> From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org = On = Behalf Of Brady, Christopher >>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM >>> To: Nathan Sircombe = ; General J3 interest list = >>> Cc: Bill Long = ; WG5 List = >>> Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have been looking at = getting things sorted so that we can offer to host it at Warwick = University. I've managed to get approval for us to host it with a few (I = hope minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the restrictions = are >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Warwick does have some lovely conference facilities, but on this = notice, I can't put enough money on the budget for booking them. We'd = have to use rooms in one of the academic departments. I've managed to = get "in principle" reservation for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in the = brand new, award winning Faculty of Arts building. All of the rooms have = projectors, good network facilities and built in presenter computers. We = can get USB connected video conferencing gear, so there shouldn't be any = problems with video links, but there isn't a dedicated video = conferencing suite. We do have public wireless internet available to = anyone on site. >>>=20 >>> 2. Because of having to use teaching rooms it would = have to be one of the following weeks >>> 30th June to 4th July >>> 7th July to 11th July >>> 28th July to 1st August >>> 4th August to 8th August >>> 11th August to 15th August >>> 18th August to 22nd August >>> 25th August to 29th August >>> 1st September to 5th September >>> 8th September to 12th September >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The two missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the = only possible dates for people then they are available, but they would = need people to book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the = campus gets. Given how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th July = would be simplest, but if people are interested in this suggestion in = general then I could put out a poll for people to select when would be = best. It would be best if I booked rooms etc. by early-ish in January, = but this isn't a terribly fast timescale. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> We can provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches = etc. and we will able to offer a conference dinner included as well. I = know that some people have rules that they have to work within on = accepting hospitality etc. and we can take payment for the conference = dinners separately in these cases. >>>=20 >>> We can provide rooms in the on campus conference accommodation = blocks where we should be able to offer an "internal" discount code that = will give you B&B prices of =C2=A355 for single rooms and =C2=A370 for = double/twin rooms. These are our conference centre rooms, not the = student halls and I believe that it includes parking costs. We can help = people with booking into other hotels if they want and there are several = within easy travelling distance of the university, but we can't block = book any of them because our policy is to only offer off campus = accommodation if we can't offer on campus. If people do want to stay off = campus then there are good transport links to campus by bus, taxi and = car. There is a charge for parking on campus, but it can be booked in = advance online, or paid on the day by phone or parking app. >>>=20 >>> 5. While Warwick is a campus university and offers = all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a sports centre and a = small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride from either Coventry = or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the facilities on campus. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If this is of interest to people, please let me know and I can sort = out about dates and then finalise arrangements. Similarly, if there is = anything that I have missed, please let me know. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Chris Brady >>>=20 >>> Senior Research Software Engineer >>>=20 >>> Scientific Computing Research Technology Platform >>>=20 >>> University of Warwick >>>=20 >>> CV4 7AL >>>=20 >>> United Kingdom --Apple-Mail=_E7265013-2C7D-4DF5-8F85-1FC164E8CFB6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 It=E2=80=99s = not my weekend yet, so here=E2=80=99s my take.

I have = no strong feelings one way or the other. I will go along whatever is = best for the whole group.

In person in the UK = is much better for me than remote from the US West = Coast.

Berkeley is always acceptable to me as = well. Facilities, hosts, and Berkeley are all great. But only if the = non-US folk can attend in force.

I am neutral = on dates, except that I know some folk can=E2=80=99t meet on the Fourth = of July. (If it=E2=80=99s WG5 only, maybe only meet three days? I remain = neutral about all that, too.)

Gary

On Dec 6, 2024, at 15:53, Steve Lionel via J3 = <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:

The issue here is that you're not a member of = the J3 list - I've added you there as an acceptable sender. I'm unsure = what the WG5 list is doing (it uses the J3 list as a subset.)

It looks as if = one flies to Birmingham (BHX) and takes a train to Coventry - is that = right?

I'd appreciate = more responses from possible attendees as to whether they'd rather meet = at Warwick (Coventry) than Berkeley for this next meeting. I understand = it is now the weekend, so let's try to have this sorted by the = 12th.

Steve

On 12/6/2024 = 6:07 PM, Brady, Christopher wrote:
Right, I've made sure that all of the lists are = included this time. Looking back I still had the WG5 list, but I had = lost the other two lists. If anyone spots that it hasn't appeared = anywhere could you please forward it?

You're right that these are teaching rooms, but I am = afraid that moving into term time rather limits what is available. None = of the furniture is fixed down so it can be reconfigured to have people = facing each other but I know that it isn't as good a solution as a = proper conference facility would be.

I don't have very much more room for maneuver on the = rooms since it is quite hard to get four rooms that are at all close = together and about the right size in term time. I've done preliminary = reservations on those rooms and can hold them for a couple of weeks, so = I think that that has to represent the best that I can offer at Warwick. = If the overall consensus is that LBL would be better then I'll release = the reservations and if there is interest in moving back out of the US = in 2026 then I can probably get something a bit more = conference-centre-ish together for then.

Chris





-------- Forwarded Message = --------=
Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] = [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley
Date:Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:57:32 = +0000
From:Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
To:Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>, WG5 = List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>


I've talked to some people and I have = managed to find four suitable rooms in the week starting the 23rd June = 2025, so I could offer the same basic plans in that week if this date = would be better for people? The only limitation is that the largest room = that I've been able to get is for 24 people, and the other three rooms = are for 14, 14 and 16 people. If these numbers (or anything else) look = like they will be a problem then I'm afraid that I am happy to withdraw = and offer to host in 2026.

If you want to see the rooms for suitability then they = are
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessuppor= t/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab105
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessuppor= t/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab106
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessuppor= t/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab108
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessuppor= t/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab109

If the rooms really = are unsuitable, then do please say so.

Chris
From: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>
Sent:=  06 December 2024 7:10 = PM
To: WG5 = List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Cc: Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
Subject= : Fwd: [EXTERNAL] = [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley
 



-------- Forwarded Message = --------
Subject:Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] = [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley
Date:Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 = -0500
From:Reuben D. Budiardja <reubendb@ornl.gov>
To:General = J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
CC:Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>



Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm = supportive of preserving US - non-US pattern as it would help = strengthening engagements from all NBs.

I'd note that the first = week in the list would overlap with a US holiday (Independence = day).

I have potential conflicts with the late July and early = August dates; Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very = much like to avoid traveling.

Is the earlier week in June that = Steve originally proposed for Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not = available?

Best,
Reuben


On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve = Lionel via J3 wrote:
Malcolm alerted me to = the fact that this message from Chris Brady didn't make it to the J3 = list. Normally, if a non-member submits to that list, it is held for = moderation, but that did not happen here, so I don't quite know what = happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email address, either, so he can't = see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!)

Unfortunately, the list = of weeks available that Chris offers don't contain any I think are = workable (at least I can't make any of them). Does anyone = disagree?

Steve

From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org <owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org> On Behalf Of Brady, = Christopher
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM
To: Nathan = Sircombe <Nathan.Sircombe@arm.com>; General J3 = interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Cc: = Bill Long <billlong@centurylink.net>; WG5 = List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Subject: = [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in = Berkeley



Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have = been looking at getting things sorted so that we can offer to host it at = Warwick University. I've managed to get approval for us to host it with = a few (I hope minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the = restrictions are


    Warwick does have some = lovely conference facilities, but on this notice, I can't put enough = money on the budget for booking them. We'd have to use rooms in one of = the academic departments. I've managed to get "in principle" reservation = for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in the brand new, award winning Faculty = of Arts building. All of the rooms have projectors, good network = facilities and built in presenter computers. We can get USB connected = video conferencing gear, so there shouldn't be any problems with video = links, but there isn't a dedicated video conferencing suite. We do have = public wireless internet available to anyone on = site.

2.          = ;        Because of having to use = teaching rooms it would have to be one of the following weeks
30th = June to 4th July
7th July to 11th July
28th July to 1st = August
4th August to 8th August
11th August to 15th August
18th = August to 22nd August
25th August to 29th August
1st September to = 5th September
8th September to 12th September



The two = missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the only possible = dates for people then they are available, but they would need people to = book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the campus gets. Given = how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th July would be simplest, = but if people are interested in this suggestion in general then I could = put out a poll for people to select when would be best. It would be best = if I booked rooms etc. by early-ish in January, but this isn't a = terribly fast timescale.



    We can = provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches etc. and we will = able to offer a conference dinner included as well. I know that some = people have rules that they have to work within on accepting hospitality = etc. and we can take payment for the conference dinners separately in = these cases.

    We can provide rooms in the on = campus conference accommodation blocks where we should be able to offer = an "internal" discount code that will give you B&B prices of =C2=A355 = for single rooms and =C2=A370 for double/twin rooms. These are our = conference centre rooms, not the student halls and I believe that it = includes parking costs. We can help people with booking into other = hotels if they want and there are several within easy travelling = distance of the university, but we can't block book any of them because = our policy is to only offer off campus accommodation if we can't offer = on campus. If people do want to stay off campus then there are good = transport links to campus by bus, taxi and car. There is a charge for = parking on campus, but it can be booked in advance online, or paid on = the day by phone or parking = app.

5.          =         While Warwick is a campus = university and offers all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a = sports centre and a small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride = from either Coventry or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the = facilities on campus.



If this is of interest to people, = please let me know and I can sort out about dates and then finalise = arrangements. Similarly, if there is anything that I have missed, please = let me know.



Thanks,



Chris = Brady

Senior Research Software Engineer

Scientific = Computing Research Technology Platform

University of = Warwick

CV4 7AL

United = Kingdom

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