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I'm unsure what the WG5 list is doing (it uses the J3 list as a subset.) It looks as if one flies to Birmingham (BHX) and takes a train to Coventry - is that right? I'd appreciate more responses from possible attendees as to whether they'd rather meet at Warwick (Coventry) than Berkeley for this next meeting. I understand it is now the weekend, so let's try to have this sorted by the 12th. Steve On 12/6/2024 6:07 PM, Brady, Christopher wrote: > Right, I've made sure that all of the lists are included this time. > Looking back I still had the WG5 list, but I had lost the other two > lists. If anyone spots that it hasn't appeared anywhere could you > please forward it? > > You're right that these are teaching rooms, but I am afraid that > moving into term time rather limits what is available. None of the > furniture is fixed down so it can be reconfigured to have people > facing each other but I know that it isn't as good a solution as a > proper conference facility would be. > > I don't have very much more room for maneuver on the rooms since it is > quite hard to get four rooms that are at all close together and about > the right size in term time. I've done preliminary reservations on > those rooms and can hold them for a couple of weeks, so I think that > that has to represent the best that I can offer at Warwick. If the > overall consensus is that LBL would be better then I'll release the > reservations and if there is interest in moving back out of the US in > 2026 then I can probably get something a bit more > conference-centre-ish together for then. > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Steve Lionel > *Sent:* 06 December 2024 10:12 PM > *To:* WG5 List > *Cc:* Brady, Christopher > *Subject:* Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 > meeting in Berkeley > > I don't think the general WG5 or J3 list saw this. > > > 24 people is probably workable for the "plenary" room, 14-16 for the > breakout rooms is plenty.  However, looking at the videos it seems > that each of these rooms are set up for lectures (unsurprisingly), and > it's not clear if we could reconfigure the tables so that we could see > each other, as the tables are attached to one wall. > > > I think the June 23 week would work better. > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 > meeting in Berkeley > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:57:32 +0000 > From: Brady, Christopher > > To: Steve Lionel > , WG5 List > > > > > I've talked to some people and I have managed to find four suitable > rooms in the week starting the 23rd June 2025, so I could offer the > same basic plans in that week if this date would be better for people? > The only limitation is that the largest room that I've been able to > get is for 24 people, and the other three rooms are for 14, 14 and 16 > people. If these numbers (or anything else) look like they will be a > problem then I'm afraid that I am happy to withdraw and offer to host > in 2026. > > If you want to see the rooms for suitability then they are > https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab105 > > https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab106 > > https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab108 > > https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab109 > > > If the rooms really are unsuitable, then do please say so. > > Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Steve Lionel > > *Sent:* 06 December 2024 7:10 PM > *To:* WG5 List > *Cc:* Brady, Christopher > > *Subject:* Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 > meeting in Berkeley > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 > meeting in Berkeley > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 -0500 > From: Reuben D. Budiardja > To: General J3 interest list > > CC: Steve Lionel > > > > > Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm supportive of preserving US > - non-US pattern as it would help strengthening engagements from all NBs. > > I'd note that the first week in the list would overlap with a US > holiday (Independence day). > > I have potential conflicts with the late July and early August dates; > Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very much like to > avoid traveling. > > Is the earlier week in June that Steve originally proposed for > Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not available? > > Best, > Reuben > > > On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote: >> Malcolm alerted me to the fact that this message from Chris Brady >> didn't make it to the J3 list. Normally, if a non-member submits to >> that list, it is held for moderation, but that did not happen here, >> so I don't quite know what happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email >> address, either, so he can't see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!) >> >> Unfortunately, the list of weeks available that Chris offers don't >> contain any I think are workable (at least I can't make any of them). >> Does anyone disagree? >> >> Steve >> >> From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org >> On >> Behalf Of Brady, Christopher >> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM >> To: Nathan Sircombe >> ; General J3 interest list >> >> Cc: Bill Long >> ; WG5 List >> >> Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley >> >> >> >> Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have been looking at getting >> things sorted so that we can offer to host it at Warwick University. >> I've managed to get approval for us to host it with a few (I hope >> minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the restrictions are >> >> >>     Warwick does have some lovely conference facilities, but on this >> notice, I can't put enough money on the budget for booking them. We'd >> have to use rooms in one of the academic departments. I've managed to >> get "in principle" reservation for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in >> the brand new, award winning Faculty of Arts building. All of the >> rooms have projectors, good network facilities and built in presenter >> computers. We can get USB connected video conferencing gear, so there >> shouldn't be any problems with video links, but there isn't a >> dedicated video conferencing suite. We do have public wireless >> internet available to anyone on site. >> >> 2.                  Because of having to use teaching rooms it would >> have to be one of the following weeks >> 30th June to 4th July >> 7th July to 11th July >> 28th July to 1st August >> 4th August to 8th August >> 11th August to 15th August >> 18th August to 22nd August >> 25th August to 29th August >> 1st September to 5th September >> 8th September to 12th September >> >> >> >> The two missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the only >> possible dates for people then they are available, but they would >> need people to book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the >> campus gets. Given how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th >> July would be simplest, but if people are interested in this >> suggestion in general then I could put out a poll for people to >> select when would be best. It would be best if I booked rooms etc. by >> early-ish in January, but this isn't a terribly fast timescale. >> >> >> >>     We can provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches >> etc. and we will able to offer a conference dinner included as well. >> I know that some people have rules that they have to work within on >> accepting hospitality etc. and we can take payment for the conference >> dinners separately in these cases. >> >>     We can provide rooms in the on campus conference accommodation >> blocks where we should be able to offer an "internal" discount code >> that will give you B&B prices of £55 for single rooms and £70 for >> double/twin rooms. These are our conference centre rooms, not the >> student halls and I believe that it includes parking costs. We can >> help people with booking into other hotels if they want and there are >> several within easy travelling distance of the university, but we >> can't block book any of them because our policy is to only offer off >> campus accommodation if we can't offer on campus. If people do want >> to stay off campus then there are good transport links to campus by >> bus, taxi and car. There is a charge for parking on campus, but it >> can be booked in advance online, or paid on the day by phone or >> parking app. >> >> 5.                  While Warwick is a campus university and offers >> all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a sports centre and a >> small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride from either >> Coventry or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the facilities on >> campus. >> >> >> >> If this is of interest to people, please let me know and I can sort >> out about dates and then finalise arrangements. Similarly, if there >> is anything that I have missed, please let me know. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Chris Brady >> >> Senior Research Software Engineer >> >> Scientific Computing Research Technology Platform >> >> University of Warwick >> >> CV4 7AL >> >> United Kingdom >> --------------00x0oJMEFwtyj0c0skp60Z50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The issue here is that you're not a member of the J3 list - I've added you there as an acceptable sender. I'm unsure what the WG5 list is doing (it uses the J3 list as a subset.)

It looks as if one flies to Birmingham (BHX) and takes a train to Coventry - is that right?

I'd appreciate more responses from possible attendees as to whether they'd rather meet at Warwick (Coventry) than Berkeley for this next meeting. I understand it is now the weekend, so let's try to have this sorted by the 12th.

Steve

On 12/6/2024 6:07 PM, Brady, Christopher wrote:
Right, I've made sure that all of the lists are included this time. Looking back I still had the WG5 list, but I had lost the other two lists. If anyone spots that it hasn't appeared anywhere could you please forward it?

You're right that these are teaching rooms, but I am afraid that moving into term time rather limits what is available. None of the furniture is fixed down so it can be reconfigured to have people facing each other but I know that it isn't as good a solution as a proper conference facility would be.

I don't have very much more room for maneuver on the rooms since it is quite hard to get four rooms that are at all close together and about the right size in term time. I've done preliminary reservations on those rooms and can hold them for a couple of weeks, so I think that that has to represent the best that I can offer at Warwick. If the overall consensus is that LBL would be better then I'll release the reservations and if there is interest in moving back out of the US in 2026 then I can probably get something a bit more conference-centre-ish together for then.

Chris
From: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>
Sent: 06 December 2024 10:12 PM
To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Cc: Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley
 

I don't think the general WG5 or J3 list saw this.


24 people is probably workable for the "plenary" room, 14-16 for the breakout rooms is plenty.  However, looking at the videos it seems that each of these rooms are set up for lectures (unsurprisingly), and it's not clear if we could reconfigure the tables so that we could see each other, as the tables are attached to one wall.


I think the June 23 week would work better.




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:57:32 +0000
From: Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
To: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>, WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>


I've talked to some people and I have managed to find four suitable rooms in the week starting the 23rd June 2025, so I could offer the same basic plans in that week if this date would be better for people? The only limitation is that the largest room that I've been able to get is for 24 people, and the other three rooms are for 14, 14 and 16 people. If these numbers (or anything else) look like they will be a problem then I'm afraid that I am happy to withdraw and offer to host in 2026.

If you want to see the rooms for suitability then they are
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab105
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab106
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab108
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/its/servicessupport/av/lecturerooms/roominformation/fab109

If the rooms really are unsuitable, then do please say so.

Chris
From: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>
Sent: 06 December 2024 7:10 PM
To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Cc: Brady, Christopher <C.S.Brady@warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley
 




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 -0500
From: Reuben D. Budiardja <reubendb@ornl.gov>
To: General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
CC: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>



Thanks to UK for offering to host us; I'm supportive of preserving US - non-US pattern as it would help strengthening engagements from all NBs.

I'd note that the first week in the list would overlap with a US holiday (Independence day).

I have potential conflicts with the late July and early August dates; Also early August is back to school for us and I'd very much like to avoid traveling.

Is the earlier week in June that Steve originally proposed for Berkeley (week of June 23) simply not available?

Best,
Reuben


On 12/5/24 20:44, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote:
Malcolm alerted me to the fact that this message from Chris Brady didn't make it to the J3 list. Normally, if a non-member submits to that list, it is held for moderation, but that did not happen here, so I don't quite know what happened. I don't have Chris Brady's email address, either, so he can't see this reply! (Nathan, please forward!)

Unfortunately, the list of weeks available that Chris offers don't contain any I think are workable (at least I can't make any of them). Does anyone disagree?

Steve

From: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org <owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org> On Behalf Of Brady, Christopher
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 10:19 PM
To: Nathan Sircombe <Nathan.Sircombe@arm.com>; General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Cc: Bill Long <billlong@centurylink.net>; WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6621] [J3] 2025 WG5/J3 meeting in Berkeley



Hello. As Nathan mentioned on Tuesday, I have been looking at getting things sorted so that we can offer to host it at Warwick University. I've managed to get approval for us to host it with a few (I hope minor) caveats if people are interested. Basically the restrictions are


    Warwick does have some lovely conference facilities, but on this notice, I can't put enough money on the budget for booking them. We'd have to use rooms in one of the academic departments. I've managed to get "in principle" reservation for up to 4 suitably sized rooms in the brand new, award winning Faculty of Arts building. All of the rooms have projectors, good network facilities and built in presenter computers. We can get USB connected video conferencing gear, so there shouldn't be any problems with video links, but there isn't a dedicated video conferencing suite. We do have public wireless internet available to anyone on site.

2.                  Because of having to use teaching rooms it would have to be one of the following weeks
30th June to 4th July
7th July to 11th July
28th July to 1st August
4th August to 8th August
11th August to 15th August
18th August to 22nd August
25th August to 29th August
1st September to 5th September
8th September to 12th September



The two missing weeks in July are graduation, so if they are the only possible dates for people then they are available, but they would need people to book hotel rooms etc. early because of how busy the campus gets. Given how things work at Warwick, the week of the 7th July would be simplest, but if people are interested in this suggestion in general then I could put out a poll for people to select when would be best. It would be best if I booked rooms etc. by early-ish in January, but this isn't a terribly fast timescale.



    We can provide all of the usual features like coffees, lunches etc. and we will able to offer a conference dinner included as well. I know that some people have rules that they have to work within on accepting hospitality etc. and we can take payment for the conference dinners separately in these cases.

    We can provide rooms in the on campus conference accommodation blocks where we should be able to offer an "internal" discount code that will give you B&B prices of £55 for single rooms and £70 for double/twin rooms. These are our conference centre rooms, not the student halls and I believe that it includes parking costs. We can help people with booking into other hotels if they want and there are several within easy travelling distance of the university, but we can't block book any of them because our policy is to only offer off campus accommodation if we can't offer on campus. If people do want to stay off campus then there are good transport links to campus by bus, taxi and car. There is a charge for parking on campus, but it can be booked in advance online, or paid on the day by phone or parking app.

5.                  While Warwick is a campus university and offers all of the usual facilities like restaurants, a sports centre and a small supermarket, it is also a ten minute bus ride from either Coventry or Kenilworth, so you are not dependent on the facilities on campus.



If this is of interest to people, please let me know and I can sort out about dates and then finalise arrangements. Similarly, if there is anything that I have missed, please let me know.



Thanks,



Chris Brady

Senior Research Software Engineer

Scientific Computing Research Technology Platform

University of Warwick

CV4 7AL

United Kingdom


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