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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c6b7fd362a823ef49f65a6f47db34d50; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <222342f2da965b6f51d0987ce86d2c4b58575117.camel@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [J3] [SC22WG5.6516] RE: [ukfortran] Fwd: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC 1 plenary wrap-up - Electronic attachments to standard From: Van Snyder To: sc22wg5 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:40:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20231121193034.0DD4C356B04@www.open-std.org> References: <88db4232-2af2-47a2-9a28-f999095078f3@dmk.com> <20231120210233.6A33E356B79@www.open-std.org> <20231121065421.7C32D356B8E@www.open-std.org> <2B3E59A4-1FA3-4FDC-B508-2925B32B19CC@dancingbear.dev> <20231121193034.0DD4C356B04@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-gBTEFLgfSmdvfRAGp9NU" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5-1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21896 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --=-gBTEFLgfSmdvfRAGp9NU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 11:30 -0800, Van Snyder via J3 wrote: > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 10:11 -0800, Gary Klimowicz via J3 wrote: > > It's about it being in plain text, not in PDF form. As an Annex, > > they're difficult to manipulate textually. > > As plain text, I can image tools we could write for automatically > > generating parser definitions (especially for formal definition > > tools like SDF or Maude). Identifying changes between version would > > be much easier. > > That could probably be done from the LaTeX source. Would it be > helpful if Malcolm posted a tarball of it (including the j3 class > definition), if not for every draft, then for every revision and > after every corrigendum? > > On Nov 21, 2023, at 09:54, Long, Bill F > > wrote: > > Such lists would seem more natural in an Annex as part of the > > standard. > > They were at one time an annex, that we decided not to typeset when > everybody was printing a draft to take to meetings. It might be easy > to turn it on again, then use "pdftk" or something like it to > separate it to a different file. The LaTeX process to create an annex of the syntax rules and constraints would write them into an extra file, that LaTeX would then read and typeset at the indicated point. That file could be used, rather than trying to extract the syntax rules and constraints from the complete LaTeX source. If the j3 class definition is still set up to create the annex, collecting the extra file would occur, then, if the annex as PDF is not desired, simply comment out the line to print it. --=-gBTEFLgfSmdvfRAGp9NU Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 11:30 -0800, Van Snyder via J3 wrote:
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On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 10:11 -0800, Gary Klim= owicz via J3 wrote:
It's about it being in = plain text, not in PDF form. As an Annex, they're difficult to manipulate t= extually.

As plain text, I can image tools we could writ= e for automatically generating parser definitions (especially for formal de= finition tools like SDF or Maude). Identifying changes between version woul= d be much easier.

That could probably= be done from the LaTeX source. Would it be helpful if Malcolm posted a tar= ball of it (including the j3 class definition), if not for every draft, the= n for every revision and after every corrigendum?

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On Nov 21, 2023, at 09:54, Long, Bill F <= ;william.long@hpe.com> wrote:
Such lists would seem more natural in an Annex as part of the sta= ndard. 

They were at o= ne time an annex, that we decided not to typeset when everybody was printin= g a draft to take to meetings. It might be easy to turn it on again, then u= se "pdftk" or something like it to separate it to a different file.

The LaTeX process to create a= n annex of the syntax rules and constraints would write them into an extra = file, that LaTeX would then read and typeset at the indicated point. That f= ile could be used, rather than trying to extract the syntax rules and const= raints from the complete LaTeX source. If the j3 class definition is still = set up to create the annex, collecting the extra file would occur, then, if= the annex as PDF is not desired, simply comment out the line to print it.<= /div>

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