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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Such lists would seem more natural in an Annex as part of the standard. ________________________________ From: J3 on behalf of Gary Klimowicz vi= a J3 Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 11:32 AM To: General J3 interest list Cc: Gary Klimowicz ; WG5 List ; = Malcolm Cohen Subject: Re: [J3] [SC22WG5.6512] RE: [ukfortran] Fwd: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC= 1 plenary wrap-up - Electronic attachments to standard I can imagine it would also be helpful to attach as separate text files a l= ist of the rules and a list of the constraints. On Nov 20, 2023, at 22:47, Malcolm Cohen via J3 = wrote: It would have been useful many years ago, for the source code of the ISO_VA= RYING_STRING module. Van suggests: > Could we publish the "standard" as an abstract on paper, and the "real" s= tandard as an electronic attachment? No. The normative text has to be part of the standard. Cheers, -- ..............Malcolm Cohen, NAG Oxford/Tokyo. From: Steve Lionel > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:03 AM To: WG5 List > Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6510] Fwd: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC 1 plenary wr= ap-up - Electronic attachments to standard Interesting concept - I wonder if there's anything we can do with it. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC 1 plenary wrap-up Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:45:33 -0800 From: David Keaton To: Dear SC 22 Convenors, There is one item I forgot to mention from last week's JTC 1 plenary meetin= g. ISO and IEC have approved the concept of "electronic attachments" to sta= ndards. These have several interesting properties. * Electronic attachments are distributed together with the standard, so any= one who buys the standard has the attachments. * An electronic attachment can contain any kind of data, such as a machine-= readable grammar for a programming language, a sample computer program, pic= tures, databases, or even text. Text attachments might include such things = as a list of identifiers, a cross-reference list, or a change history of th= e standard. ISO and IEC do not need to know how to process the attachments;= they are only for use by the customers of the standard. * Customers are charged by the page of the standard. Electronic attachments= are not counted; they are included for free. Consequently, some items that= might otherwise have resulted in large annexes could instead be submitted = as electronic attachments, giving customers access to the same data for les= s money. Electronic attachments create some pretty exciting possibilities, and I hop= e you will keep them in mind during standards development. David --_000_MW4PR84MB185107B00B89EA8F2C34691E97BBAMW4PR84MB1851NAMP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Such lists would seem more natural in an Annex as part of the standard.


From: J3 <j3-bounces@mai= lman.j3-fortran.org> on behalf of Gary Klimowicz via J3 <j3@mailman.j= 3-fortran.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 11:32 AM
To: General J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Cc: Gary Klimowicz <gak@dancingbear.dev>; WG5 List <sc22wg5= @open-std.org>; Malcolm Cohen <malcolm@nag-j.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [J3] [SC22WG5.6512] RE: [ukfortran] Fwd: [SC 22 Conveno= rs] JTC 1 plenary wrap-up - Electronic attachments to standard
 
I can imagine it would also be = helpful to attach as separate text files a list of the rules and a list of = the constraints.

On Nov 20, 2023, at 22:47, Malcolm Cohen via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fort= ran.org> wrote:

I= t would have been useful many years ago, for the source code of the ISO_VAR= YING_STRING module.
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V= an suggests:
&= gt; Could we publish the "standard" as an abstract on paper, and = the "real" standard as an electronic attachment?
&= nbsp;
N= o. The normative text has to be part of the standard.
&= nbsp;
C= heers,
-- =
..............Malcolm Cohen= , NAG Oxford/Tokyo.
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<= b>From: Steve Lione= l <steve@stevelionel.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, N= ovember 21, 2023 6:03 AM
To: WG5 List <= ;sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Subject: [ukfort= ran] [SC22WG5.6510] Fwd: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC 1 plenary wrap-up - Electron= ic attachments to standard
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Interesting concept - I wonder if there's anything we can do with it.<= /div>
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Subject: 
R= e: [SC 22 Convenors] JTC 1 plenary wrap-up
Date: 
M= on, 20 Nov 2023 12:45:33 -0800
From: 
D= avid Keaton <dmk= @dmk.com>
To: 
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Dear SC 22 Convenors,

There is one item I forgot to mention from last week's JTC 1 plenary meetin= g. ISO and IEC have approved the concept of "electronic attachments&qu= ot; to standards. These have several interesting properties.

* Electronic attachments are distributed together with the standard, so any= one who buys the standard has the attachments.

* An electronic attachment can contain any kind of data, such as a machine-= readable grammar for a programming language, a sample computer program, pic= tures, databases, or even text. Text attachments might include such things = as a list of identifiers, a cross-reference list, or a change history of the standard. ISO and IEC do not need to know= how to process the attachments; they are only for use by the customers of = the standard.

* Customers are charged by the page of the standard. Electronic attachments= are not counted; they are included for free. Consequently, some items that= might otherwise have resulted in large annexes could instead be submitted = as electronic attachments, giving customers access to the same data for less money.

Electronic attachments create some pretty exciting possibilities, and I hop= e you will keep them in mind during standards development.

David

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