From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Mon Jul 17 03:04:05 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id D44D6359232; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 03:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-ua1-f52.google.com (mail-ua1-f52.google.com [209.85.222.52]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D02335922A for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2023 03:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-794d1714617so1374915241.0 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:04:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; t=1689555844; x=1692147844; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=52WuWsb8tq3Il6sjLCzVkfwCL6D3/T72rYsP0xjR7nA=; b=OJHTHVppvjMLk1of8y33fxTqCNpOVld9o7dZ9kPQpTgd19XZAvgZWnuZ/BIGykFadX RRjkOXi5r0hTgeiYCDqBi3/ZOjgKTCETgvyc/7r/n/Y/8trS55lp2K3fjrDGyapjERRH pANTIy4G5tSqvIL5nmXXyHVtqfWlqJYXDPZpo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689555844; x=1692147844; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=52WuWsb8tq3Il6sjLCzVkfwCL6D3/T72rYsP0xjR7nA=; b=U90nUQZbViEOuInghCU4jMTAhWrE9IOb0O0eBaChC6Vaypwvgz3da93GALeKhxUObV vXU3PYsmpiKM6/ElwLeiOPeFo7hq/A/PD5azHPdlpzHzKZ1QIMdMMlIWVUyRFYbpA42v 1804ZSOX+OcjJjLtT/xV++iwYd7Pk0jc1ygTX6RxL66+WZgaJrXK8UT17usJFBSPxhbB 1xoN3+oqDu1pqutHOEknmpaA+otajibDpD3+3MXLzWbLvpt8H9CgbULANBdIbdL5mPop 8MKga1k72qtVMTO33zYZm9I5o0lEH+ugfS1ffJz61nMo9D743Wpe7rBN/WJhrm5PJ887 NLvw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLary0HBs6GNOOP6ct7tpMOVxV4UEVnOd26gSdR4ywjhmqFyyIOb ArUrIl0vMUCEPxDeZTbBunLYDKd/E+WM6vFbzVJ4YOM7frvPGMEK X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlE8Nfjg9EFGOTmo9otGnUGs8G+UpL8NLYIFRzN0lBZcQCnu79acd7SmS5N3DJp8RYiTvhCSnklnpxy5gV2n0H0= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:4887:0:b0:47e:3bac:cde4 with SMTP id v129-20020a1f4887000000b0047e3baccde4mr5090429vka.14.1689555843827; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:04:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230715175421.8326B359235@www.open-std.org> <019501d9b846$0c80cf10$25826d30$@nag-j.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <019501d9b846$0c80cf10$25826d30$@nag-j.co.jp> From: Steve Lionel Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 21:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6463] This might almost be funny... To: WG5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e65b2b0600a45fd0" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --000000000000e65b2b0600a45fd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoops, my mistake. Cambria it is. On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 8:31 PM Malcolm Cohen wrote: > Hi Steve, > > > > Actually, it=E2=80=99s Cambria they want us to use, not Callibri. Callibr= i is not > as heavy a font as Cambria, and is sans-serif whereas Cambria is a serif > font. Though they are both allegedly =E2=80=9Cdesigned for good screen vi= ewing=E2=80=9D. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > ..............Malcolm Cohen, NAG Oxford/Tokyo. > > > > *From:* Steve Lionel > *Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2023 2:54 AM > *To:* WG5 List > *Subject:* [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6463] This might almost be funny... > > > > As most of you know, one of the things that held up ISO processing of > F2023 (still in "processing" as I write this, balloting not yet started ) > was ISO's insistence that the standard use 11-point Callibri font. Callib= ri > has been around for 15 years, having been introduced with Office 2007. We > got an exemption for this time, promising to switch to Callibri for the > next revision. > > Recently, Microsoft announced that it was retiring Callibri, replacing it > with a typeface (a font is a specific size of typeface) called Aptos. (It > had been called Bierstadt earlier.) It would not astonish me if, by the > time we're ready to submit F202Y, that ISO will have switched to requirin= g > use of Aptos. > > Meet Microsoft Office=E2=80=99s new default font: Aptos - The Verge > > > Steve > --000000000000e65b2b0600a45fd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoops, my mistake. Cambria it is.=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul = 16, 2023 at 8:31 PM Malcolm Cohen <malcolm@nag-j.co.jp> wrote:

Hi Steve,

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Actually, it=E2= =80=99s Cambria they want us to use, not Callibri. Callibri is not as heavy= a font as Cambria, and is sans-serif whereas Cambria is a serif font. Thou= gh they are both allegedly =E2=80=9Cdesigned for good screen viewing=E2=80= =9D.

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Cheers,

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..............Malcolm Cohen, NAG Oxford/Tokyo.

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From= : Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023= 2:54 AM
To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
Subject: [ukfortr= an] [SC22WG5.6463] This might almost be funny...

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As most of you know, o= ne of the things that held up ISO processing of F2023 (still in "proce= ssing" as I write this, balloting not yet started ) was ISO's insi= stence that the standard use 11-point Callibri font. Callibri has been arou= nd for 15 years, having been introduced with Office 2007. We got an exempti= on for this time, promising to switch to Callibri for the next revision.=

Recently, Microsoft announced that it was retiring Callib= ri, replacing it with a typeface (a font is a specific size of typeface) ca= lled Aptos. (It had been called Bierstadt earlier.) It would not astonish m= e if, by the time we're ready to submit F202Y, that ISO will have switc= hed to requiring use of Aptos.

Meet Microsoft Office=E2=80=99s new default font: Aptos= - The Verge

Steve

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