From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Sun Jul 16 13:35:30 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 282C69DB18C; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-ua1-f52.google.com (mail-ua1-f52.google.com [209.85.222.52]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADC1359216 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-794af22ed66so1249392241.1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 04:35:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; t=1689507328; x=1692099328; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WYuf5lHFWJ7J9bNXoXI9rVzKraE81G69bxNhfS6qo/s=; b=wn4A3mDcxaRg+/tVO32Apc0wm/WwfdS5nJnq1h6hch07Ijp/ShkmpEyQ93T0Gzg94g 1hhYdpRwg2lUMhnKoc9xQdl78/rFKvwxRb0aJ9HVpP1WHKLH6sDU5kg14KYEO27M6hwv ONe++SgDz5Gvdl49UtgZo9lTktZa9yZwYt+to= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689507328; x=1692099328; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WYuf5lHFWJ7J9bNXoXI9rVzKraE81G69bxNhfS6qo/s=; b=ZqPcAgjRojxTTv8q7qHauXYtt2sM7X3sItNyxNoftUVVOARomgtZJc6bF0J6XYB8LA 2YFwDmrlKoBpsL/v5UG8GVMihI03q+g/PBcnF84p+MpA6CP5ur6KUmoUGh1Wmhz6jREh WFQ3KXheQ4XPjJaherEusDmGor9a6iHw61Et1Goem/aluxVO986WPj/PyPkNSChnCr4M Z3V+Jiw/UhDbLfQFOLKoSah/1FurzubZmZnz/W4z4ZrmfuHN2GQCvfD3M4OHk9Lc4G+/ pyie27Yf37PqV+Jb0eRNSL65wrewtfQER7D6IikeSYWHpGgVA+SFkC43zOMQ/4qRWHpX Ahog== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLbNkKbHkTkrRvJqcsmP8jJJ4x3VazGNBK8Ufbo/JV71v4m6ski/ aC6jIjUPy6gvu3N+fhVN/bD0tmLBk0kBljlJtsm4iVrHbB0kMlm/0IQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlGc7lOzypKF3pnwGs/OC+6Jwj0Ww+GWp3yGeko8MuWitXyzKhUaMIrP3z7SKC/hdb53ZP0fianAefkPPaHTbGU= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:cd02:0:b0:481:68cc:751 with SMTP id d2-20020a1fcd02000000b0048168cc0751mr3886520vkg.13.1689507328196; Sun, 16 Jul 2023 04:35:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230715175421.8326B359235@www.open-std.org> <20230716044908.34D5E3591EA@www.open-std.org> <001001d9b7d8$caeed910$60cc8b30$@chiversandbryan.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001001d9b7d8$caeed910$60cc8b30$@chiversandbryan.co.uk> From: Steve Lionel Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 07:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6464] [J3] This might almost be funny... To: WG5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000249701060099141c" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --000000000000249701060099141c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See if you can find Bierstadt, as it=E2=80=99s the same font. To Bill=E2=80=99s question, yes, Aptos has distinguishable glyphs for the d= igit 1, lowercase L and uppercase I. Microsoft is relevant only in that ISO wants documents submitted using Word, but still grudgingly accepts PDF. I note that Aptos is an even wider typeface than Callibri. Steve On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:29 AM wrote: > I tried to locate a font table for aptos, but > > Have drawn a blank. > > > > I found this > > > > > https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/office-theme-e7bbfe02-d1fb-4c4= d-b3b7-6a47f0cefd3f > > > > If I find one I=E2=80=99ll post a link. > > > > Ian > > > > *From:* Long, Bill F > *Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2023 5:49 AM > *To:* WG5 List ; General J3 interest list < > j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> > *Cc:* Steve Lionel > *Subject:* [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6464] [J3] This might almost be funny... > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Interesting history and link for Aptos. The obvious general question is > why is Microsoft relevant to anything. More specifically, does the font > distinguish among the number 1, the letter lower case L, and the letter > uppercase I? > > > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* J3 on behalf of Steve Lionel > via J3 > *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:54 PM > *To:* WG5 List > *Cc:* Steve Lionel > *Subject:* [J3] [SC22WG5.6463] This might almost be funny... > > > > As most of you know, one of the things that held up ISO processing of > F2023 (still in "processing" as I write this, balloting not yet started ) > was ISO's insistence that the standard use 11-point Callibri font. Callib= ri > has been around for 15 years, having been introduced with Office 2007. We > got an exemption for this time, promising to switch to Callibri for the > next revision. > > Recently, Microsoft announced that it was retiring Callibri, replacing it > with a typeface (a font is a specific size of typeface) called Aptos. (It > had been called Bierstadt earlier.) It would not astonish me if, by the > time we're ready to submit F202Y, that ISO will have switched to requirin= g > use of Aptos. > > Meet Microsoft Office=E2=80=99s new default font: Aptos - The Verge > > > Steve > --000000000000249701060099141c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See if you can find Bierstadt, as it=E2=80=99s the same f= ont.=C2=A0

To Bill=E2=80= =99s question, yes, Aptos has distinguishable glyphs for the digit 1, lower= case L and uppercase I. Microsoft is relevant only in that ISO wants docume= nts submitted using Word, but still grudgingly accepts PDF.=C2=A0

I note that Aptos is an even wide= r typeface than Callibri.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:29 AM <ian.chivers@chiversandbryan.co.uk> wrote:<= br>

I tried to locate a font= table for aptos, but

= Have drawn a blank.

=C2=A0

I found this

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/office-theme-e7bbfe02-d1f= b-4c4d-b3b7-6a47f0cefd3f

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If I fin= d one I=E2=80=99ll post a link.

=C2=A0

Ian

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From:<= /span> Long, Bill F <william.long@hpe.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 5:49 AM
To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>; Ge= neral J3 interest list <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>
Cc: Steve Lionel= <steve@steve= lionel.com>
Subject: [ukfortran] [SC22WG5.6464] [J3] This = might almost be funny...

=C2=A0

Hi Steve,

=C2=A0

Interesting history and link for Aptos.=C2=A0 = The obvious general question is why is Microsoft relevant to anything.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 More specifically, does the font distinguish among the number 1, = the letter lower case L, and the letter uppercase I?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Bill

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From: J3 <j3-bounces@mailma= n.j3-fortran.org> on behalf of Steve Lio= nel via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org>Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:54 PM
To: WG5 List <= sc22wg5@op= en-std.org>
Cc: Steve Lionel &= lt;steve@= stevelionel.com>
Subject: [J3]= [SC22WG5.6463] This might almost be funny...

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As most= of you know, one of the things that held up ISO processing of F2023 (still= in "processing" as I write this, balloting not yet started ) was= ISO's insistence that the standard use 11-point Callibri font. Callibr= i has been around for 15 years, having been introduced with Office 2007. We= got an exemption for this time, promising to switch to Callibri for the ne= xt revision.

Recently, Microsoft announced that it was = retiring Callibri, replacing it with a typeface (a font is a specific size = of typeface) called Aptos. (It had been called Bierstadt earlier.) It would= not astonish me if, by the time we're ready to submit F202Y, that ISO = will have switched to requiring use of Aptos.

Meet Microsoft Office=E2=80=99s new def= ault font: Aptos - The Verge

Steve

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