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Right.  Both of the short documents that were folded into F2018 were Techni=
cal Specifications. (TS 18508 and TS29113).  Even at that time ISO had chan=
ged what had previously been a TR into something that was not useful for th=
e purpose we had, so we went with the TS, which I assume they have not alte=
red.=20

Cheers,
Bill


> On May 27, 2021, at 9:58 PM, Malcolm Cohen via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.=
org> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Steve,
> =20
> This does not affect us, because what used to be called TRs (back when we=
 did them) became Technical Specifications. Indeed, the last one we publish=
ed started out intending to be a TR but we published it as a TS.
> =20
> Cheers,
> --=20
> ..............Malcolm Cohen, NAG Oxford/Tokyo.
> =20
> From: Steve Lionel <steve@stevelionel.com>=20
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:23 AM
> To: WG5 List <sc22wg5@open-std.org>
> Subject: [ukfortran] (SC22WG5.6340) Fwd: 2021 Directives part 2 change re=
garding TRs
> =20
> Not that we're doing any TRs at the moment, but in case we do...
>=20
>=20
> -------- Forwarded Message --------=20
> Subject:=20
> 2021 Directives part 2 change regarding TRs
> Date:=20
> Thu, 27 May 2021 17:07:19 -0700
> From:=20
> David Keaton <dmk@dmk.com>
> To:=20
> CC:=20
> Bill Ash <bash@itic.org>
>=20
>=20
> Dear SC 22 Convenors,
>=20
> There is a change in the 2021 Directives part 2 that affects some SC 22 T=
Rs. TRs are now forbidden to contain recommendations. The "Note 3 to entry"=
 below is new as of this month.
>=20
> ---
>=20
> 3.1.8
>=20
> Technical Report
>=20
> TR
>=20
> document (3.1.1) published by ISO or IEC containing collected data of a d=
ifferent kind from that normally published as an International Standard (3.=
1.4) or Technical Specification (3.1.5)
>=20
> Note 1 to entry: Such data may include, for example, data obtained from a=
 survey carried out among the national bodies, data on work in other intern=
ational organizations or data on the state of the art (3.4) in relation to =
standards of national bodies on a particular subject.
>=20
> Note 2 to entry: Prior to mid-1999, Technical Reports were designated as =
Technical Reports of type 3.
>=20
> Note 3 to entry: The content of a Technical Report is not permitted to in=
clude requirements (3.3.3), recommendations (3.3.4) or permissions (3.3.5).
>=20
> ---
>=20
> It was always understood that TRs could not contain normative text, but t=
his goes further. TRs that contain guidance, as some SC 22 TRs do, will nee=
d to become International Standards if they are revised. New editions will =
be scrutinized according to the prohibition against recommendations.
>=20
> I hope this will save you from finding out at the last minute that extra =
work will be required when revising some TRs.
>=20
> David
>=20


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