From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Jun 23 05:46:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id D82263587DD; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-vk1-f170.google.com (mail-vk1-f170.google.com [209.85.221.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAF735705B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f170.google.com with SMTP id s192so4489411vkh.3 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4+tp9OjOfn4XgQyGFCiZwGQylAT5rK4Sifqh5Sc5CQU=; b=b07XSBWZauLlPB4RZBqhXslSn2Y512n4j4ch+isrWljByL0eXoZCtoBsipJnZeZdm+ 9u/tmSExF2hPeZnJuSXKI0XfrqztSyVhou7x1JUWNPgv6MwbjNslzrRN3IB1sPf7FFGM daPMmiMGAmcMIBzP7PTULc0rYpBoPYYG92AtN8KKxWAI145coGHtbsc2RaQnTB2cvHEC PxGkruLqFaZVpeeB/fSEBIYfER08j17zelNvKp5yYxtaviwPTdw99U5Zx0alhbTU2YST +hGAlfqCaj2fzHdcsUPPhmQvRStmR6eV72KKLNlatFADPC+FrFWJNqk1T8qF6dDgkOgP hVJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4+tp9OjOfn4XgQyGFCiZwGQylAT5rK4Sifqh5Sc5CQU=; b=r5HpNhp5tOtQVCgrmKqD7JY2SKm8O/ZHfQVglFNRZ0J9gE4s5/cyCZb0NhkJl8fy23 m4/R4VSYZBqM6FAN2AkL2cIXPJT/w/AGtSBdmcrtSHsJsFWaslhEBzJcwrG81WVbExYy JMJ5Td7ck4Y0di/pyl/Ys5I77psG6GS++x2bDM6m06pmcARG2IstnnKAXOTKJcH58KvJ DDPqIWPIrW0MkvtrwvqjQj2Ez9MmTmO/La63ZrbLZPe/xoketX6GRuzSisrd/VVX93PH m6tOyXlRZRN3TV7b+gelAqjUXWdOAv4+G+XwYyeDrOb2iWQp69AdBzH0+EScAM0sjFgL T9/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ncy9yBJgFNFyc5pchEtIKeiqV5PWEbPoA+N2Nhs3H7DZYklvG BIP2gCkLGEjZTZZAspc543tk+CmJxbR9SX2oqlE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyhzT+949sfCM4XqRSXfNzSbf0/QkoeQIpopidRJp4le8tPZnlm9w2EiqTBDayvOiyU/BVyZ3D3iULxKPw4ppQ= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:d783:: with SMTP id o125mr18113328vkg.46.1592883962797; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:46:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200619235913.262F1358B1A@www.open-std.org> <67861af9-2206-4559-8964-dd29728263f9@www.fastmail.com> <20200623001049.666E5357140@www.open-std.org> In-Reply-To: <20200623001049.666E5357140@www.open-std.org> From: Vipul Parekh Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 23:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6256) 2022 WG5 meeting To: General J3 interest list , WG5 List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c5647305a8b832ba" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --000000000000c5647305a8b832ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:10 PM Steve Lionel via J3 < j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote: > .. Some have expressed antipathy to Las Vegas for > these, though I haven't spotted specific objections. .. > It's entirely from the D&I perspective of current and *future* attendees that I mentioned the concern with a repeat Las Vegas location. As I mentioned earlier, as-is "there is considerable evidence involving *gender* and *parenthood* and diminished in-person conference/meeting attendance." Without getting into details and not wanting to, I'll attest from my personal experience the Las Vegas location discourages attendance for certain folks on the diversity spectrum. This is true for myself as a parent but more importantly for the other gender in my family (many of whom have a strong STEM background or interest) should they ever get into numerical computing and programming and have to *travel by themselves* to a destination to work on Fortran standard development. The heightened situational awareness they bring any time they are on their own, particularly as nearly half have or can experience harassment **, can be compounded by greatly increased tension when the destination is Vegas. Something as simple as a seat assignment on a plane to and from Vegas or catching a taxi/uber in the city or needing to walk to a pharmacy can all be tremendous stressors in this situation. If one has empathy, one gets this instantly but no amount of explanation will be sufficient otherwise. So I'm not going to elaborate further. Vipul Parekh ** THE WOMEN=E2=80=99S PROFESSIONAL CONFERENCE EXPERIENCE & IMPACT STUDY, https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d8a838628b7472b2aa38999/t/5d960aaef= 1b8cc4d58f44473/1570114225760/%23TheConferenceStudy+Summary+9.30.pdf --000000000000c5647305a8b832ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:10 PM Steve= Lionel via J3 <j3@mailman.= j3-fortran.org> wrote:
.. Some have expressed antipathy to Las Vegas for
these, though I haven't spotted specific objections. ..

It's entirely from the D&I perspective of curr= ent and *future* attendees that I mentioned the concern with a repeat Las V= egas location.

As I mentioned earlier, as-is "= ;there is considerable evidence involving *gender* and *parenthood* and dim= inished in-person conference/meeting attendance."

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Without getting into details and not wanting to, I'll attest from = my personal experience the Las Vegas location discourages attendance for ce= rtain folks on the diversity spectrum.=C2=A0 This is true for myself as a p= arent but more importantly for the other gender in my family (many of whom = have a strong STEM=C2=A0background or interest) should they ever get into n= umerical computing and programming and have to *travel by themselves* to a = destination to work on Fortran standard development.

The heightened situational awareness they bring any time they are on the= ir own, particularly as nearly half have or can experience harassment=C2=A0= **, can be compounded by greatly increased tension when the destination is = Vegas.=C2=A0 Something as simple as a seat assignment on a plane to and fro= m Vegas or catching a taxi/uber in the city or needing to walk to a pharmac= y can all be tremendous stressors in this situation.

If one has empathy, one gets this instantly but no amount of explanation= will be sufficient otherwise.

So I'm not goin= g to elaborate further.

Vipul Parekh
**=C2=A0 THE WOMEN=E2=80=99S PROFESSIONAL CONFERENCE EXPERIENCE & IMPACT STUDY,


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