From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Mon Jun 22 02:46:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 0AA353587F1; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 02:46:44 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qv1-f43.google.com (mail-qv1-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A73A356E44 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 02:46:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f43.google.com with SMTP id dp10so7177165qvb.10 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceryinstitute.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7TwLFvrF9gE/7TZuADPSEl3BFt9/OkIItPAri9ZR5ko=; b=e8HC7VEnIUQcHinyVnfsneYTKVg936/7ezZj/nRcCUiIGP45aPNtUioYb8H5EXQryS 0FBbSoG0+PmdiLCTiqn0WaUngcDDS75XhZYac/d6W9TG8hVU2iR1aYMH5bMJ/MKuq7sO VncNsSPSjtBy/WAwdXNPCTw8ezYSLuQfvcXWYxUvNOFv3CmCwIUQNaVMXKYcobHqvJ7D HP1JAOMdbT5k9JUpOlxThiA3PvEq4zWvYOtOibd4zBoK8FselUOVGIL3RHJBXiySO5Hl BMfbomG3uLJYW79W0Zr2prlzqoKV3ktCL4MB/4Op6GQSoSam1sQiVU9ZgL83IHz+ESGS SpIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7TwLFvrF9gE/7TZuADPSEl3BFt9/OkIItPAri9ZR5ko=; b=Cs7pHyYhXiAtSpIqPs/ncgf7i7TUrvccDj21iz4pl0EOAXqXLc5vxj7gAhWfUSZjLA wXQRjKdn7nynut+sR6Yt2kZtGBPVPOiYorpDtNEwAPqaGf7Q+QSUTuVEU0Al9Ed/CZUS 5Uh9CEnXp2sTJsEeulEbS0k45PGmuUj/PYOOVOMAz2GFP1INkArsLatqTmN+zIzREtD/ mH9kc3v1Ka+l9kkb6rkO5TAiaLv1JUEgGYGiityIr5S8ygyo4eQ04sObuk3n1H1vjSn/ 2+BmRp7z+qFNoXcCdfViBpFPQySr+nYF102bxOZpPwIj2aVjL6agYk0uzSORh+bhBdqh B9YA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301jaF1bRAVlMEVR/WbE6f6BhAofbO1KEfBw0tRIx0X3RTs0ENb PG5wfCMalDmr3P53v4LHTZKKbuevTNellwobzrCvOA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWc9nA73aFMPK6eftCFHzHESfL3W2qS3b+vougBM7U5Tu4mjCT1TGavPYBaHfGd95U7p8NRi/IdY7+svTfASA= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:438c:: with SMTP id s12mr19860592qvr.200.1592786801539; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200619235913.262F1358B1A@www.open-std.org> <20200621030514.22AA63587E0@www.open-std.org> <8267C6CA-DFA7-44C0-B775-233C7E14C5DE@cray.com> <57FC6254-7E57-49B4-8112-8613ECE18B89@cray.com> In-Reply-To: <57FC6254-7E57-49B4-8112-8613ECE18B89@cray.com> From: Damian Rouson Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:46:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6246) 2022 WG5 meeting To: General J3 interest list Cc: Bryce Adelstein Lelbach aka wash , Bill Long , WG5 List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008252be05a8a19322" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --0000000000008252be05a8a19322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Bill Long via J3 wrote: > > The seemingly obsessive hatred of Las Vegas is very hard to understand fo= r > those of us who have been there. Are you concerned that potential > attendees with mental health issues related to gambling addiction might b= e > discouraged? Note that the current meeting hotel is NOT on the strip and > is a Marriott, and hence has no casino and is not connected to a casino. > I=E2=80=99ve never known J3 or PL22.3 to sponsor a =E2=80=9Ccasino night= =E2=80=9D or any activity > involving gambling. We=E2=80=99re way too busy during the week to have t= ime for > something like that. > > I wonder if a Zoom call would be a better forum for some of the discussions about which opinions differ considerably. I was never a fan of Las Vegas as a meeting destination and asked very early in my attendance (probably at my first meeting around 2013) about how long I should attend before proposing a venue change. Your response: "about 20 years." I'm sure that was a joke and I interpreted it as funny. Nonetheless, I took to heart that it was a clear statement that the majority of people would oppose any change for the foreseeable future and I therefore gave up on the idea despite never being comfortable with the destination. I thought Brad Richardson's recent email was very helpful in capturing the feelings of a new attendee and the impact that more established members have on whether newcomers feel welcomed. Were we to have an interactive discussion via videoconference or teleconference, I would be glad to explain several reasons why I find Las Vegas to be a problematic venue and I suspect others would have additional reasons. I fear that email is not a great medium for such discussions for lots of reasons. Damian --0000000000008252be05a8a19322 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Bill= Long via J3 <j3@mailman.j3= -fortran.org> wrote:

The seemingly obsessive hatred of Las Vegas is very hard to understand for = those of us who have been there.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Are you concerned that potenti= al attendees with mental health issues related to gambling addiction might = be discouraged?=C2=A0 Note that the current meeting hotel is NOT on the str= ip and is a Marriott, and hence has no casino and is not connected to a cas= ino.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve never known J3 or PL22.3 to sponsor a =E2=80=9Ccasi= no night=E2=80=9D or any activity involving gambling.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99re w= ay too busy during the week to have time for something like that.

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I wonder if a Zoom call would be a better f= orum for some of the discussions about which opinions differ considerably.= =C2=A0 I was never a fan of Las Vegas as a meeting destination and asked ve= ry early in my attendance (probably at my first meeting around 2013) about = how long I should attend before proposing a venue change.=C2=A0 Your respon= se: "about 20 years."=C2=A0 I'm sure that was a joke and I in= terpreted it as funny.=C2=A0 Nonetheless, I took to heart that it was a cle= ar statement that the majority of people would oppose any change for the fo= reseeable future and I therefore gave up on the idea despite never being co= mfortable with the destination.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I thou= ght Brad Richardson's recent email was very helpful in capturing the fe= elings of a new attendee and the impact that more established members have = on whether newcomers feel welcomed.=C2=A0 Were we to have an interactive di= scussion via videoconference or teleconference, I would be glad to explain = several reasons why I find Las Vegas to be a problematic venue and I suspec= t others would have additional reasons.=C2=A0 I fear that email is not a gr= eat medium for such discussions for lots of reasons.

Damian
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