From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Sun Jun 21 23:13:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 493C63571B7; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 23:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8833356ECD for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 23:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r22so12383865qke.13 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:13:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=EsDduUhLVII4aHm2xb2EnJyNdXLX3OMrb7kgL5pWLRU=; b=T7l34+0w3XsmPWJQS7pPJOxSokhuIKO4CDttVv97586b+n6wDcXonp1rgXVQ4iuxgZ DFq08ZV7Na/7e31Uu5tmXsDztc9GybqseZmti8xwdwhudfSTjKyArjIwcE2km+divpU5 6E/6eETQ4PdQLiN2p5IJYah5rWK7FEo78wgZk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=EsDduUhLVII4aHm2xb2EnJyNdXLX3OMrb7kgL5pWLRU=; b=adQyua9zLSo7wBhU+ZOe0qHc1OuJS+S1TwBEEz93y8m0ECbGiv3Hn+CaQGFuHwYwXS +OiG0MkQ+qtIrDAK82uXePw9aDG11/4n9ns+ti0naztKlkO0HfjETT1WodzECqfAyUmx zeydpz669ko/OC5T2IVzcCn36Cs9sh98jrM3/PNiYQz1wklGZ7JRGzWr4Q7Hwg3LoxS1 0O/yC5+8lEGEz9b3+hMx22ZdrVE7pw90OeCy4d9ag+9h92oYggQjHs40QJ5X8kqQljt+ IT+ViL6KE2eewkWoQMoL00/zet+BY9x/VwY3G2cDzlgQD6yjgU7KS4k9p6NYSU5rc1WY zbjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533sbWm3i6aXpEFGrzfU+Ku8vaG6dPRFcTUPnZMTUzEmmBwdtExE Q5haVggK1wVx4KpOiHCGKK6m+IULzUX+Hw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxj045pPs6k6Z8+baCwdi2LKi0DIfl5HoTjjlwVFstgIk7SRh+TP63Thmycq9/qRn4TBK5YCw== X-Received: by 2002:a37:4d0f:: with SMTP id a15mr13112895qkb.313.1592774031863; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([71.161.209.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s15sm14159526qtc.95.2020.06.21.14.13.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Jun 2020 14:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6249) 2022 WG5 meeting To: WG5 List References: <20200619235913.262F1358B1A@www.open-std.org> <20200621030514.22AA63587E0@www.open-std.org> <8267C6CA-DFA7-44C0-B775-233C7E14C5DE@cray.com> <20200621193415.A17383587E0@www.open-std.org> <48b341e2-ddee-52d4-d393-cb4c86f3ae1a@moene.org> From: Steve Lionel X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:13:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48b341e2-ddee-52d4-d393-cb4c86f3ae1a@moene.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk Some interesting observations in this thread so far. Additional comments: - J3, not to mention WG5, has outgrown the single (small) conference room we have been getting for free at hotels. Those of you who were at the February 2020 meeting know how cramped it was, and that was JUST J3. Adding in the usual WG5 members would be supremely unworkable. - INCITS has made it VERY clear to Dan and to me that our history of using members hotel rooms for subgroups, due to lack of breakout rooms at J3 hotels, must stop. For all our meetings, not just WG5, we need a large room for plenary and three or even four additional meeting rooms for subgroups. - We also need communication equipment - speakerphones, and ideally, a projector. - For the above reasons, any offer offer of a meeting host needs to be able to provide these facilities. This means a vendor or a large user organization. - I noted Bryce's suggestion that NVidia might be willing to pay expenses for non-employee members. That's generous, but is very likely unworkable due to ethics rules. On the other hand, a grant towards general meeting expenses (meeting rooms, etc.) from any vendor(s) would be welcomed - neither J3 nor WG5 has any budget outside of the meeting fees J3 collects, and those are probably insufficient for this purpose. - J3 can't continue to meet with what the hotel provides for free - we need funding to rent additional rooms/equipment or to have these donated to us. WG5 meetings have generally been hosted by an organization that provides what we need, so that's less of an issue. We do need to find a solution for the non-joint J3 meetings, which might well mean being hosted by an organization. - I agree with Bill that there's nothing particularly wrong with Vegas for J3 meetings, not withstanding our historical lack of breakout rooms. It's not expensive, there are convenient flights from most everywhere, and our off-strip locations are trouble-free. In the 12 years I have been attending J3 meetings in Vegas, I haven't known any of the attendees to spend time gambling, drinking, or indulging in other vices. But if we are going to continue there, we must find a solution to the lack of breakout rooms. - I appreciate the offers from Dan and Brian to host WG5 in 2022 - both of those are excellent locations, but I was hoping to see an offer from someone who had not hosted as recently as Dan (2016) or Brian (2018). But if not, either one of those is fine with me. Steve