From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Sun Jun 21 00:38:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 492D8358A1A; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 00:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-vs1-f52.google.com (mail-vs1-f52.google.com [209.85.217.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D235688C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 00:38:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 190so7614509vsr.9 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:38:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xQ9pQjLZeTgRvb+LkLr3xD9/bSny9P0Do2oDSjGHRG0=; b=F3tsw/hHlGy34ortY4Q8RmBtZT7T7xqcwBzNTNoZB3eXotljtJu/wtlWFkzv5qiBbo GQLAaFk/zibZ+DEB6a6cQhWbZ9CJP67T9jW08R730IC+QJnrSaJR9a0xbdjzNzotTqQM A49gKO4qb2FQyOXOJrtEIohOXyRtWaZeoKzBo2KsF47X5fUkssgE0B0Cz/b6C2rlt4SU uz+ZoUU0gTcNm7Czk1nl9vSgbaq/6Wcr3C4ray2AXLSUPhollicA9U01f1plZQBXwOKu AM2beIgvgro1ZtyrDIgY/fcYgOzh2ScfMPeU2BYNytKKy9ZMqEyCy7tnkWyQ0Bguocb5 7QaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xQ9pQjLZeTgRvb+LkLr3xD9/bSny9P0Do2oDSjGHRG0=; b=Am8azCc5Nh3ApQDAw41HDjeTutApBUS6C2CVuCJ/Zl1vxvvl+wEcihf5MzhbMBxWUV MIN4q/O+YMfln4GpaO1j9iQbzQwjnQ1V+BdWOXRRZYwJRn5txiEP910z6X8Gt+UG47uV E1PBbQg71goPn0FvC0Gy7Z30p8xn7dprVO5ytYwz19HiO+5oKlXlYaSJz76UTTkRHnlY XJ+EQc+mIz0auDmbmXKS9XFQrcLc7JR2MSrFLraBPP4ebSJMvsCTNVqPLZoM/0fXV5WA Gd5OeVn0O8UlL0Rwz3hQx9X9ctttxvof1XPbPWAcJbPU/2FzI2B0BlnO44ubQQkdlSRm ns3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GDcolCqsUXsd0bNpfucEsnR1Gs9OCOTh7ELBqM02X5Zc0Kuw7 o7mL/8JG9uVqHSXMo+olcbIqMxjvN3A/TucJi5I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxoo/lGl37/xMrl6mN3pFuBV/yl7gKmUflmW6vp3zPDGpzo7mYvcGIUM0f6APmR8M8EkQEVWqfmElyKGs9+D3E= X-Received: by 2002:a67:7d4f:: with SMTP id y76mr11740450vsc.110.1592692681138; Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200619235913.262F1358B1A@www.open-std.org> In-Reply-To: <20200619235913.262F1358B1A@www.open-std.org> From: Vipul Parekh Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6240) 2022 WG5 meeting To: General J3 interest list Cc: WG5 List , Steve Lionel , "Vipul S. Parekh" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007ee8a405a88ba9d6" Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --0000000000007ee8a405a88ba9d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Under better circumstances, WG5 and J3 would undoubtedly have received an offer from Van to have Pasadena, CA as the location for the meeting, one that he had made many, many times previously but which was never accepted. I believe it was to his anguish based on what I had discerned even with my limited interactions. Should ISO and INCITS and by extension, WG5 and J3, really intend to advance on the diversity and inclusivity (D&I) front generally and especially on the gender and other minority representation globally, then it should immediately take note of many, many diverse points: 1) Honest and frank discussions and an environment that can foster them is a must, 2) Las Vegas, given its image and all that it 'sells' as possible, has considerable disadvantages from a D&I perspective. Arguments in favor of this location, particularly by those who have an overwhelming amount of "soft" influence on the functionings of the committee, ostensibly on the basis of cheap flights, hotels, and easy access, fail to take into account the concerns of other potential attendees with differences on the diversity spectrum have with the LV location, 3) Pasadena, CA has a considerable number of attractive qualities that have been overlooked until now, unfortunately. 4) It is a no-brainer any consideration of true inclusivity begins with the notion of not being exclusive. And no one sensing or fearing - consciously or unconsciously - they will be excluded or worse shunned or abused or otherwise 'canceled' on account of their ancestry or their words directed elsewhere or being insufficiently penitent even when their *actions* generally and specifically are otherwise conducive to the goals of D&I. I think what transpired recently with the censure following the discussions regarding the ISO gender survey has laid a seed of 'cancel culture' that played into the exclusion. I think this will harm the effort at improved D&I with WG5 and J3. Following the recent email threads and what has transpired and given how I perceive and comprehend things that are ever so orthogonal to the developing 'orthodoxy' on so many aspects currently, I can feel the sword of Damocles hanging over my head too ever so sharply and the clock ticking toward my own 'cancellation'. I don't believe true advancement in D&I is possible if matters remain as they are - organizations may achieve some numerical/superficial measures, but not real progress. 5) Both an informal and formal effort to address and overcome the exclusion (and which strikes directly against any and all D&I initiatives) that has taken place, regardless of whether it was voluntary, will go a long way toward addressing future issues as well as easing the immediate concerns of someone like me. I feel a concerted effort to bring Van and JPL 'back in the fold', one that might begin with a gesture and overture followed possibly by genuine initiative and acceptance to have Pasadena as the location of the next WG5 meeting will be an act of 'healing' for all that will go a long way toward fostering D&I. Perhaps this effort is underway, kudos if it is. 6) One can credibly argue an organization such as ISO is motivated per its "environmental, social and governance" ESG charter ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental,_social_and_corporate_governance) to take various actions such as the one which led to the recent gender survey. * Travel, especially airline travel, retains a heavy environmental footprint with carbon and pollutants. * From a social perspective, recent WG5 and J3 emails themselves provided an instance of a case of someone of a different gender being hesitant to travel; there is considerable evidence involving gender and parenthood and diminished in-person conference/meeting attendance. With both environmental and social considerations, I hope all WG5 future meetings will be dual-mode and they will permit and enable *virtual* and in-person attendees to participate and contribute equitably. For WG5 and J3 to make this happen successfully is another challenge it must willingly and immediately accept if they wish to be truly virtuous in their signal to improve D&I. Regards, Vipul Parekh On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 8:15 PM Steve Lionel via J3 < j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote: > All: > > It's time to look for volunteers to host the 2022 WG5 meeting, which is, > by our alternation-convention, to be in North America. Dan has offered > (and received permission) to host us at Mesa Labs in Boulder, Colorado. > As wonderful as that is, I'd be pleased if someone who hasn't hosted > recently (or ever) to step up - Dan hosted us in 2016. Don't be shy! > > Steve > > --0000000000007ee8a405a88ba9d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Under better circumstances, WG5 and J3 would undoubtedly h= ave received an offer from Van to have Pasadena, CA as the location for the= meeting, one that he had made many, many times previously but which was ne= ver accepted.=C2=A0 I believe it was to his anguish based on what I had dis= cerned even with my limited interactions.

Should ISO and= INCITS and by extension, WG5 and J3, really intend to advance on the diver= sity and inclusivity (D&I) front generally and especially on the gender= and other minority representation globally, then it should immediately tak= e note of many, many diverse points:

1) Honest and= frank discussions and an environment that can foster them is a must,
=

2) Las Vegas, given its image and all that it 'sell= s' as possible, has considerable disadvantages from a D&I perspecti= ve.=C2=A0 Arguments in favor of this location, particularly by those who ha= ve an overwhelming amount of "soft" influence on the functionings= of the committee, ostensibly on the basis of cheap flights, hotels, and ea= sy access, fail to take into account the concerns of other potential attend= ees with differences on the diversity spectrum have with the LV location,

3) Pasadena, CA has a considerable number of attrac= tive qualities that have been overlooked until now, unfortunately.

4) It is a no-brainer any consideration of true inclusivit= y begins with the notion of not being exclusive.=C2=A0 And no one sensing o= r=C2=A0fearing - consciously or unconsciously - they will be excluded or wo= rse shunned or abused or otherwise 'canceled' on account of their a= ncestry or their words directed elsewhere or being insufficiently penitent = even when their *actions* generally and specifically are otherwise conduciv= e to the goals of D&I.=C2=A0 I think what transpired recently with the = censure following the discussions regarding the ISO gender survey has laid = a seed of 'cancel culture' that played into the exclusion.=C2=A0 I = think this will harm the effort at improved D&I with WG5 and J3.=C2=A0 = Following the recent email threads and what has transpired and given how I = perceive=C2=A0and comprehend things that are ever so orthogonal to the deve= loping 'orthodoxy' on so many aspects currently, I can feel the swo= rd of=C2=A0Damocles hanging over my head too ever so sharply and the clock = ticking toward my own 'cancellation'.=C2=A0 I don't believe tru= e advancement in D&I is possible if matters remain as they are - organi= zations may achieve some numerical/superficial measures, but not real progr= ess.

5) Both an informal and formal effort to = address and overcome the exclusion (and which strikes directly against any = and all D&I initiatives) that has taken place, regardless of whether it= was voluntary, will go a long way toward addressing future=C2=A0issues as= well as easing the immediate concerns of someone like me.=C2=A0 I feel a c= oncerted effort to bring Van and JPL 'back in the fold', one that m= ight begin with a gesture and overture followed=20 possibly=20 by genuine initiative and acceptance to have Pasadena as the location of th= e next WG5 meeting will be an act=C2=A0of=C2=A0'healing' for all th= at will go a long=C2=A0way toward fostering D&I.=C2=A0 Perhaps this eff= ort is underway, kudos if it is.

6) One can credib= ly argue an organization such as ISO is motivated per its "environment= al, social and governance" ESG charter (https://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Environmental,_social_and_corporate_governance) to take v= arious actions such as the one which led to the recent gender survey.
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * Travel, especially airline travel, retains a heavy env= ironmental footprint with carbon and pollutants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0* From a social perspective, recent WG5 and J3 emails themselves prov= ided an instance of a case of someone of a different gender being hesitant = to travel; there is considerable evidence involving gender and parenthood a= nd diminished in-person conference/meeting attendance.
With both = environmental and social considerations, I hope all WG5 future meetings wil= l be dual-mode and they will permit and enable=C2=A0*virtual* and in-person= =20 attendees=20 to participate and contribute equitably.=C2=A0 For WG5 and J3 to make this = happen successfully is another challenge it must willingly and immediately = accept if they wish to be truly=C2=A0virtuous=C2=A0in their signal to impro= ve D&I.

Regards,
Vipul Parekh
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O= n Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 8:15 PM Steve Lionel via J3 <j3@mailman.j3-fortran.org> wrote:
=
All:

It's time to look for volunteers to host the 2022 WG5 meeting, which is= ,
by our alternation-convention, to be in North America. Dan has offered
(and received permission) to host us at Mesa Labs in Boulder, Colorado.=C2= =A0
As wonderful as that is, I'd be pleased if someone who hasn't hoste= d
recently (or ever) to step up - Dan hosted us in 2016. Don't be shy!
Steve

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