From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Thu May 21 19:30:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id E236235885D; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:30:39 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C549356E3F for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:30:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id m11so8045413qka.4 for ; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=JrKlZss+AzyabnpcFSHqahUy/ul9N66VhRuboT22IDQ=; b=cFAf79ls2RcEgVpcKLOfvPZr+mJ29VwIaEOH9qHa46dqlXqq7CnifuG2Mx3kjkYeLZ qEDdNQWRZhZ2a0ZNLD2jGt1fzQW1QP+7fnE4Ff/d/q06E7K53J9TZwddHsTw+G+ev1d6 QSrRg9TJIm/DWkvd/Ozid7J0xZG/aB4L9N/Wk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=JrKlZss+AzyabnpcFSHqahUy/ul9N66VhRuboT22IDQ=; b=BK7n2aGOiliRwYo2/3GeO+JV0sgZfn8yPExULoVaF0FK/UNHTmPkdsPnnx2Yl4fDXI GUQH9TlWi42Sqw3w0UQ4xf4RamIeffsJbs0/gnkJWAbWoF2t2g6gy+mEiwDHkiqV4wBZ 3jrqPBdTiRoq0ZY53vTuN1C8OaucT7QGiwR6dqSwfj3TnKgLvq8WYsF8mLgosOSq0yUf OcuC8rMkic2j4ugOcVZUslSjVNklL1/PnCPKz4+TTUGwzw85aM68/9QL/mOIB/oYjdQ3 kMBBP+qLXm7njFOsRt4HqrKcblsVexWqCRQQpwZzcCDb9yLOY/dHUvMlBW+E6VCd0qR3 A9fQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5333ymlRItBm4PyF3+qzZdus+jAEt1v6PFsGBdIEL44/hZ+Qs+Rj pFBCPzm0xLHy3vdWm9Ooubxc//5wO5+D4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwUuVWSGGg9p1wrDwiIOwMFloAOYoKFC9CnbzxnHASK8NdhraEhni6Dd+zMFxSbP45C5zZZHg== X-Received: by 2002:a37:95c5:: with SMTP id x188mr9956888qkd.357.1590082237395; Thu, 21 May 2020 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.241.130.117]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e34sm5544911qtb.21.2020.05.21.10.30.36 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 May 2020 10:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6218) Re: (SC22WG5.6217) All face to face INCITS or US-hosted ISO meetings cancelled for the rest of 2020 To: WG5 List References: <20200521055603.56E7E358784@www.open-std.org> <20200521135249.65B5A358727@www.open-std.org> <20200521150210.517593581D2@www.open-std.org> From: Steve Lionel X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <383c6004-1511-c7fd-1b48-c535793f36cf@stevelionel.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:30:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200521150210.517593581D2@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 5/21/2020 11:01 AM, Ondřej Čertík via J3 wrote: > I would suggest to keep the (virtual) meeting, it can be shorter if needed. If it is held, does it have to be 5 days long? I didn't see this specified in the ISO rules, but maybe I missed it. There is no prescribed length. A virtual meeting would benefit by being shorter, but the only way we can make that work is if the time-consuming development of papers by J3 subgroups happens mostly before the meeting so that the virtual meeting can focus on voting and adjustments to specs and syntax. > If it is true that "WG5 doesn't have any real business at this time", then I suggest we use the effort to either help the 202X standard out of the way sooner, or start tackling proposals for 202Y. We have a fair bit left to do on 202X - that is the top priority. If we can make significant progress on full papers (specs/syntax/edits) for the remaining work list items, we will still be on track for publication in 2022.  The next priority is to establish a path forward on generics, as WG5 already approved that for 202Y as a condition of it being removed from 202X. Tom Clune heads the Generics subgroup and I'd expect that he'd welcome participation in that work. This is all J3 work. > An alternative solution is to just held the J3 (virtual) meeting, but invite all WG5 members to participate. Aye, there's the rub. If WG5 doesn't also hold a virtual meeting joint with J3, non-J3 members aren't allowed to participate in the the meeting per INCITS rules. But I think non-J3 WG5 can still help with paper development online, free from time zone constraints. I think this is the way forward. Steve