From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed Apr 29 20:00:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 973B93568BB; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from ppa02.jpl.nasa.gov (ppa02.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.137.113]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A673566A9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 20:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pps.filterd (ppa02.jpl.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by ppa02.jpl.nasa.gov (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 03THje9Y123237 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:00:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jpl.nasa.gov; h=subject : from : reply-to : to : in-reply-to : references : content-type : date : message-id : mime-version : content-transfer-encoding; s=InSight1906; bh=hW1oJmJMk2uR4Wu1m59i/AqJ5EeXWmTrDZUAuzo6DAk=; b=s44KlhGQFCSS22W/lTePJUrvqYIExiEGWSnuhOtJ+PFNpRh+2ZZj1jW6HYyoS53SJQif NvdbGS1ZFC0G5LqUe/sRiGiXCdkLMNn3V/XSymJrDG26+GmygZdEMU2TXHuVtlSjlPtw 1yKFLsgNTHJGmlM+9ZShCuTQGF4uIkxYsrrJw1duB+/pc0S4x6prSI7Dgb3u3EPSr7Ye 0ZjrjaEKF4pddJnvUXM59X/X5UBbqUH3gnAPej10eoQKbYTJaD4PWjuxDQioWKg+thUB HERAfY7j4+8zFl9Tcv1NA1c+FoXLitR0AG4wSXkwTOMWNtXSgndEceKyrMRboUcG3Xlj 0g== Received: from mail.jpl.nasa.gov (altphysenclup01.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.137.52]) by ppa02.jpl.nasa.gov with ESMTP id 30pypjahf9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:00:11 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.11] (097-090-007-013.res.spectrum.com [97.90.7.13]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id 03TI0A0c007858 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128 bits) verified NO) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:00:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [J3] (SC22WG5.6186) RE: [ukfortran] October meeting visa invitation letter From: Van Snyder Reply-To: van.snyder@jpl.nasa.gov To: sc22wg5 In-Reply-To: References: <20200428004737.19A4F9DB145@www.open-std.org> <20200428114456.5CCDA3568A1@www.open-std.org> <999548a1-9f82-418c-b8be-1fd87f94d3be@www.fastmail.com> <20200428172340.851A13568A1@www.open-std.org> <20200428195502.E072C3568BB@www.open-std.org> <5a392c04-ddab-46e6-8024-ae89b8658d29@www.fastmail.com> <20200428225409.F33B13587B3@www.open-std.org> <20200429083749.4E7369DB117@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1588183210.18613.438.camel@van.snyder> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 (2.32.3-37.el6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Source-IP: 097-090-007-013.res.spectrum.com [97.90.7.13] X-Source-Sender: van.snyder@jpl.nasa.gov X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138,18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-29_09:2020-04-29,2020-04-29 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=573 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2004290137 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2020-04-29 at 15:10 +0000, Bill Long via J3 wrote: > some people have an aversion to, and concerns about, products from > Microsoft (of which GitHub is one, and Skype another). Google and > Facebook have acquired tarnished reputations as well. And don’t get > the cyber security folks started about ZOOM. I believe IEEE P1722 did everything via a-mail. I believe they did not have any face-to-face meetings. Ultimately, formal "motions" were circulated, which contained edits. These were passed (or rejected) with formal e-mail ballots. I haven't asked my contacts in WG9 and ARG, but it seems the Ada committees do a lot of work via e-mail. They have a yearly meeting, usually in conjunction with Ada Europe and the Conference on Software Reliability, about three days total. I don't know for sure, but based on the number of different names I see in e-mail traffic, I think WG9 has more members than WG5. Not to say the WG5 and J3 could switch to that mode tomorrow, or that we would find it useful to move rapidly in that direction, but some people have made it work. At least we ought to try to get more done via e-mail between meetings, especially so that we don't get ambushed on Friday after working all week on a project.