From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed Apr 29 19:56:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 293AF3568A1; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:56:45 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8423566A9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5C7791 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap21 ([10.202.2.71]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:56:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=certik.us; h= mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm2; bh=rQrkXhVt2fvNqNPxpJd2H2PTUevok7H vYsJwB2Vjknc=; b=Jv6a3Xpbz1VeNglAoq4KONEhl9rErdAvs5cMt/fnVH4gLnB DiLA1sc+3hBG465wg15cVXn0qtHIcge/jV2DzJSin3nf48jgmB4w3b7fUukOT1Mk OPldqriUwApvRfEN0OIi68pqjtNcAP4h+YhqAHzc5XW0BqrSne+l4eE5wCsRWsdh EBD1tPJw9eaEcTZ+9O75V2Gk1OSbjVaiBhWtk2p8UlnUUf5ts0Ks0X1PvMOaQt4E OP8sq8pAqBXvUHrswH3MnIaoooBCCZH1tDrKp1LO3R9F5HXEiS1YAWKmMGwsc50V 3xcpzMk7qa1bHM7xBjVSL0gO0CUVUQulkP9rA7A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=rQrkXh Vt2fvNqNPxpJd2H2PTUevok7HvYsJwB2Vjknc=; b=z8+Sc5zospKU6weUMwM4RH 9fHDhcFxNnF58oTcyNxmpZlIrPEkuylG6a16sSBXtaQFlWE/+GzOPXYyZd4p99iX K59eqKqZ6QveS02NZ/pheUdeJOCbf8Oji8qCP3u1krdZ+46Or4Il3Eqs2VW2mwuB mCG3YPPHZu7RxSpGxsEun+1IrS8qY+Ykq92o2JhBvWmgYgdataCrilws6SEQrQLB tDZrxdN4JCBA2QMSYGZxKde6tzUTqLpmAoCle0wQLqRl8BT0a8O1WCl8hht+YqvH tvvx74TSB5ckCXyEusFpxe5m9/ip52QgRylF7gFvY/wkvR/D68bFyx825sQ97LnA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrieefgdduudejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpefqnhgurhgvjhgpvegvrhhtvohkuceoohhnughrvghjsegt vghrthhikhdruhhsqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekhfdutdffhfeufffhudfgvdfgfe ekfeduvdduhedtfffhheetgeevgfeivefffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecu rfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehonhgurhgvjhestggvrhhtihhkrdhush X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id A91AB66007E; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-dev0-351-g9981f4f-fmstable-20200421v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3333f261-a6a2-442c-b20f-a24fc09b3a2f@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200429161826.813D13568A1@www.open-std.org> References: <20200428004737.19A4F9DB145@www.open-std.org> <20200428114456.5CCDA3568A1@www.open-std.org> <999548a1-9f82-418c-b8be-1fd87f94d3be@www.fastmail.com> <20200428172340.851A13568A1@www.open-std.org> <20200428195502.E072C3568BB@www.open-std.org> <5a392c04-ddab-46e6-8024-ae89b8658d29@www.fastmail.com> <20200428225409.F33B13587B3@www.open-std.org> <20200429083749.4E7369DB117@www.open-std.org> <20200429151053.9A3643568A1@www.open-std.org> <20200429161826.813D13568A1@www.open-std.org> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:56:14 -0600 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej_=C4=8Cert=C3=ADk?= To: "WG5 List" Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[J3]_(SC22WG5.6194)_[EXTERNAL]_RE:_[ukfortran]_October_mee?= =?UTF-8?Q?ting_visa_invitation_letter?= Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Steve Lionel via J3 wrote: > On 4/29/2020 11:34 AM, Reuben D. Budiardja via J3 wrote: > > Gitlab is an open-source alternative with very similar core features > > that can hosted "on-prem" (which is the main reason we have it at the > > Lab), so J3 can stand up its own instance if this is the way we want > > to go. This would be something I'd be happy to volunteer to help running. > > Gitlab is far too much for what we want to do here - at least for now. GitLab is equivalent to GitHub for our purposes. We use the J3 GitHub repository to discuss in issues, and then draft proposals collaboratively using pull requests. So GitLab is exactly what we need. I suggest to stick to GitHub. If there is truly a need to have the platform under J3 control, then let's switch to GitLab and host it ourselves. Thank you Reuben for the offer to host it --- I can help also (lots of experience hosting GitLab internally). However, let's not have 10 different places where discussion happens. If we move to a J3 site, then we'll import the project from GitHub to GitLab (all the issues / discussions), and we will close the GitHub project. Furthermore, it took me a lot of effort to get the community using the J3 site. I spent a *lot* of effort from October 2019 to get the J3 GitHub repository up and going (some days I spent many hours, I don't know on average, perhaps 1h a day). If I didn't do that, the effort would not be successful. It does not "just happen". If we move away, we would point people to the new place, but you should not underestimate the effort needed for people to get used to the new site and to actually use it. Unless there is a really compelling reason, then let's not move it and rather just keep using the J3 GitHub as it is, with the existing community. Ondrej