From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed Apr 29 17:46:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id ECD959DB116; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mta02.ornl.gov (mta02.ornl.gov [128.219.177.136]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705AE3566A9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:46:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ornl.gov; i=@ornl.gov; q=dns/txt; s=p20151116; t=1588175193; x=1619711193; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u2ehgjDRJxPPkZIv7yrqfm5ICtyYRKqpOPAcfld6mHk=; b=EPYTeDbmBZR4UXDkVkVapF9oLlogQDRQzYHX4Xnq5djfK22/oGgrvDzr CiBJOiKlseRk6N1OGYTx5Y//aA24J8i5u37Pn0tyQcPVqEge47K7H2YdB mS/y5Kb4gZIVy2oCMviwxrrwsr6FvUkOGG9nfy9zUZFmp4L7ufuz6dnJd Bhp2LE2vFmjVKJPBN1FcCUo/DDeKJ5IrrwsoaeUIXyiCuRFqrzRZztYUe EHnk5OPGjpRPTaTa0MPvlsClyl4m9OZQbcMIwTccukbbEdz5rQnXsf/nV Z0tGCLaZWIvn7jRjQ/bzoWRQrEvMnYOnbrNMzmah3/RolUOepzJ0iRYWI g==; IronPort-SDR: Oxf7FKfvRf5sVdgk5TkfEDxfP6QBOxWj5Uh5t5RC2HAGHO2MBOFE6GG9xa/oygwCit1fGdC/Kd 7t/e+rHENOMQ== X-SG: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,332,1583211600"; d="scan'208";a="93205630" Received: from emgwy1.ornl.gov ([160.91.254.9]) by iron2.ornl.gov with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Apr 2020 11:46:29 -0400 Received: from [0.0.0.0] (stargazer.ornl.gov [160.91.217.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emgwy1.ornl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C2tY168Nz2Tc21; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [J3] [EXTERNAL] (SC22WG5.6189) RE: [ukfortran] October meeting visa invitation letter To: General J3 interest list Cc: "Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101)" , Malcolm Cohen , WG5 List References: <20200428004737.19A4F9DB145@www.open-std.org> <20200428114456.5CCDA3568A1@www.open-std.org> <999548a1-9f82-418c-b8be-1fd87f94d3be@www.fastmail.com> <20200428172340.851A13568A1@www.open-std.org> <20200428195502.E072C3568BB@www.open-std.org> <5a392c04-ddab-46e6-8024-ae89b8658d29@www.fastmail.com> <20200428225409.F33B13587B3@www.open-std.org> <20200429083749.4E7369DB117@www.open-std.org> <20200429151053.9A3643568A1@www.open-std.org> From: "Reuben D. Budiardja" Message-ID: <85e73b43-2938-57e4-d49a-a9ecc22eb5df@ornl.gov> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:46:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 04/29/2020 11:34 AM, Clune, Thomas L. (GSFC-6101) via J3 wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I think it is way too late for J3 to reinvent tools for collaborative development of documents. Several excellent and free options are available: GitHub, BitBucket, GitLab, … I am fine with the J3 site being a portal. > > I doubt anyone on this list is wed to GitHub, if the MS ownership is truly a concern. (Thus far there seem to be no ill effects, and MS stated reasoning for the acquisition to facilitate improved scalability for large projects appears to hold true. I’ve seen no adds nor elimination of desirable features.) And to compare MS to nuclear weapons is a bit of a stretch in any event. Using one of the alternative platforms should be just fine for our purposes. GitHub is merely the most common hosting service and thus the most familiar to a large segment of our community. > > I don’t mean to make assumptions, but your message suggests that you’ve not experienced collaborative development within something like GitHub There is a synergy that is hard to do justice by listing the features. It seems to me that Bill's main concern is that it's not something that J3 control, which is something that I could relate as well. Adopting one of the already available tools like GitLab but owned and run by J3 would be a potential solution. Again, it does not have to be a complete replacement of everything. Multiple communities can co-exist on different platforms which can be represented by different folks in the committee. Best, Reuben