From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed Apr 29 17:35:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 7FE349DB116; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mta02.ornl.gov (mta02.ornl.gov [128.219.177.136]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1543566A9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:35:01 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ornl.gov; i=@ornl.gov; q=dns/txt; s=p20151116; t=1588174502; x=1619710502; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wnsQ5x+SkjWbaxjU3rZNnzKtOp4/SwLeFjApxXokwP4=; b=YrBcYsnMDSVX7+WkD0atxg1v4LwLIGhtuMevzH+OBeNAKNYGH9Tdv8wH H/3tlHXVCGZrdQEFTJFJZSmzjiEAcS0RsSvJCuwrk6n39b0KxVAn0nUfy 30ZbGFjWjSuVGjfjet4YUmEWgzadoQRYNS/2GD6vu7givRUE0l74dILVM AahPF5eX7Z01yDxT8AIwL4YeUvRQ0tW+6kljWr2UXfcmgV5STnv0uI7o2 NTASbAUK+cwCkydpJqYOI0GaEryQ1YFNVoNgxB/FUWTdu4rMbK/KfyjKU /dFAxtB7km5RjptjcxT46wkAMcG1cQPdzdFoI8PgSdW/+ox4Dcr+8TBlH Q==; IronPort-SDR: x3OSB7w6GzMVdHo2Tealixhksb75XxTCFdqk9gfwUy7LGi4ZVIkVxN7R4HRsIuqQg6JNr/L+n2 t8qghJ29Kqjg== X-SG: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,332,1583211600"; d="scan'208";a="93203838" Received: from emgwy2.ornl.gov ([160.91.254.10]) by iron2.ornl.gov with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Apr 2020 11:34:59 -0400 Received: from [0.0.0.0] (stargazer.ornl.gov [160.91.217.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emgwy2.ornl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49C2dH1TX6z2SsdK; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [J3] (SC22WG5.6189) RE: [ukfortran] October meeting visa invitation letter To: General J3 interest list Cc: Bill Long , WG5 List , Malcolm Cohen References: <20200428004737.19A4F9DB145@www.open-std.org> <20200428114456.5CCDA3568A1@www.open-std.org> <999548a1-9f82-418c-b8be-1fd87f94d3be@www.fastmail.com> <20200428172340.851A13568A1@www.open-std.org> <20200428195502.E072C3568BB@www.open-std.org> <5a392c04-ddab-46e6-8024-ae89b8658d29@www.fastmail.com> <20200428225409.F33B13587B3@www.open-std.org> <20200429083749.4E7369DB117@www.open-std.org> <20200429151053.9A3643568A1@www.open-std.org> From: "Reuben D. Budiardja" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:34:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200429151053.9A3643568A1@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 04/29/2020 11:10 AM, Bill Long via J3 wrote: > Soo many postings it’s hard to pick one to reply to But this one hit on some important issues... > >> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Malcolm Cohen via J3 wrote: >> >>> The community is on GitHub. >> >> Well, *a* community is on GitHub. A substantial one even. > > > Agreed. I would point out that some people have an aversion to, and concerns about, products from Microsoft (of which GitHub is one, and Skype another). Google and Facebook have acquired tarnished reputations as well. And don’t get the cyber security folks started about ZOOM. > > As an alternative, I suspect there would be less concern if off-line discussions could be facilitated through the J3 website. This does not address concerns about such a mode of operation in general (of which several have been discussed in this thread), but at least the J3 website is something we control, and it avoids the issues mentioned above. Of course, it is unfair to “volunteer” Stave to do work here, so such a path would require further discussion. Gitlab is an open-source alternative with very similar core features that can hosted "on-prem" (which is the main reason we have it at the Lab), so J3 can stand up its own instance if this is the way we want to go. This would be something I'd be happy to volunteer to help running. Best, Reuben