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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8A3F00F67520FA42B2AEA5FC5C89CD43@NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e36edc4b-b9d5-41fc-420f-08d7eba75198 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Apr 2020 19:06:55.5653 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 105b2061-b669-4b31-92ac-24d304d195dc X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: rpPPgO3vZwUVW/WNrq0Dnd8gIjA3bRjNahKM0zvO0iQjkidP/V+V8igNUngIs4Qo8Srqhk8fMkARCJumc2i/DJA3Xw30WFmtJKz8bsu4FYU= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: TU4PR8401MB1069 X-OriginatorOrg: hpe.com X-HPE-SCL: -1 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138,18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-28_12:2020-04-28,2020-04-28 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004280150 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk Steve > On 28 Apr 2020, at 18:23, Steve Lionel wrote: >=20 > In my mind, the biggest step we can take is to get work-list papers writt= en between meetings, with tuning by small teams of interested parties, so t= hat when we do meet in person we can get things done faster. We don't need = any equipment to do that, just a shift of mindset and a willingness to siph= on off some time from "the day job" to make it happen. (I understand, thoug= h, that some members simply may not be in a position where they are allowed= to devote resources to J3 between meetings.) I'll note that often J3 votes= to change or choose among approaches with straw votes, so we can't simply = present papers as a "take it or leave it". Again, needs some thought and di= scussion. I'm very much against drastic changes. Assuming we are talking about an evolution, not revolution, I was trying to imagine what remote participation might mean for me for the October WG5 LAS meeting within the current setup. UK is +8 hours to LAS time. The 0800 plenary discussion and voting is 1600 my time. I can probably read the papers submitted for the plenary, during my day and participate in the plenary via some remote audio/video two-way tool. Provided that tool works well, and the morning plenary lasts no more than about 2 hours, i.e. end by ~1800 my time, this will probably work, i.e. I can convince myself that my contribution was useful. I can probably agree with my management that for that week I do WG5 work from lunch onwards. I estimate that 3-4 hours is enough for me to read and understand the papers submitted for voting each day, and prepare an opinion. In fact, for papers from subgroups in which I don't participate this is not very different from what I do when I participate in person. Indeed, this might even be better because I'll read the papers in day time, rather than late at night. The subgroup discussions will happen while I sleep, so I will not participate in those. I guess I can work via email on papers assigned to my subgroup, but the 8h time diff will probably mean the progress is too slow to be useful. Anton