From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Apr 21 19:40:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 0E3D735885D; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org X-Greylist: delayed 325 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at www5.open-std.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:40:41 CEST Received: from mr85p00im-zteg06021601.me.com (mr85p00im-zteg06021601.me.com [17.58.23.187]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E9335698F for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:40:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1587490514; bh=ZV6ehQ6+M+mSrZokfkaTtTO6vmJZZGutXXtR0h7tjo8=; h=Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=oBTrGGDQN5Ui7TDCqoR3ytOdD6TSxCmHSrvVT6gQ+e6Sc0ra9giIrEkgL413Kq0LR GvDTPRAIwi+ywbYvqstMcc0hVmUjkX/BxyNnsV8K1xYZjGvFslHkc2QNr0p0BPIx/Y 3YpeSE++xJ9iRrmEqUEVnda1tPzH0cyP4l2C9nY1WG0uIuwQqUzXud7T/DqxYH7WDw uwWoC5PPUpVN/Z8ElWh2XZW8i69fIzAq4aaYNGUe+w75WOUz21SGhHNsgZYDpHin9E mTtGsDkBOnU952EBhHdqxebRCXfIAX4ohXNEHu3c8/QWnddRNUAKE1ifxRR9tbfKUe d/V1UFT0166Ug== Received: from davids-imac.home (host86-145-224-108.range86-145.btcentralplus.com [86.145.224.108]) by mr85p00im-zteg06021601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95B81400C3A; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.5\)) Subject: Re: [J3] Running for WG5 Convenor From: David Muxworthy In-Reply-To: <28e524e8-09e2-43ec-9d53-fb795b37413b@www.fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:35:09 +0100 Cc: sc22wg5@open-std.org Reply-To: David Muxworthy Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <28e524e8-09e2-43ec-9d53-fb795b37413b@www.fastmail.com> To: Ondrej Certik X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138,18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-21_07:2020-04-21,2020-04-21 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=494 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2004210136 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk > I would like to announce that I am running for the WG5 Convenor = position. See my > blog post for a high level background: >=20 > = https://ondrejcertik.com/blog/2020/04/running-for-wg5-convenor-announcemen= t/ While I accept your desire to advance Fortran more quickly than appears to be happening, I am afraid your announcement is totally misconceived. (1) The WG5 convenorship is an ISO position, not an INCITS one. Thus your email should have gone to the sc22wg5 list for information rather than to the J3 list. (2) The letter to the INCITS Director is irrelevant. INCITS is concerned with the administration of committees, not with the technical ability of committee members. (3) ISO/JTC1 Directives (have you looked at these?) state: Working group Convenors shall be appointed by the committee [i.e. SC22 in this case] for up to three-year terms ending at the next plenary session of the parent committee following the term. Such appointments shall be confirmed by the National Body (or liaison organization). The convenor may be reappointed for additional terms of up to three-years. There is no limit to the number of terms. Responsibility for any changes of convenors rests with the committee and not with the National Body (or liaison organization). A national body [i.e. INCITS in your case] becomes involved only to confirm notional support for a candidate who has been provisionally appointed by SC22. More generally, WG5 has to work within ISO rules, J3 has to work within INCITS rules and so on for every national body's Fortran group. These rules can be quite burdensome at times. I suggest you gain some experience working with WG5, like actually attending a meeting, and with J3 before attempting to take over the convenorship. Then you could try again in 2024 or 2027 or so. David Muxworthy