From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Mon Oct 9 21:02:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 3D4DE358A11; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 21:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qt0-f169.google.com (mail-qt0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF396357222 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 21:02:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qt0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q4so45042748qtq.8 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=xMadgeekzMap1FXW5GzQqjEZ0Zl9ywUIGrjbWi3vNRQ=; b=vp+2OCspYVKgnhZEip8cWzBEjSx4f6Wsb2ESGsp9cdLFafFASFOg/8hAl+YtOm+E9W BOOUqMKyjTE2p/UfhpAP5FcE1qikuYv38XfU6zOVyehucXtn0qegGesxDIMfVj5b8wt2 OAnEeiI6sO3sB6l+Kdn7w1of5ozgBDa7G4/F8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=xMadgeekzMap1FXW5GzQqjEZ0Zl9ywUIGrjbWi3vNRQ=; b=BDMqTq5SUXNLnxAKT55iqgjrf/sbfxgxJiLkk3ujolFqu+SkjWhN16OYRxHWJpnwCw HQ8Nc2Gl1j2CM/6fuewR7LHFH4WseVVQPVodQpWzUlLQTXCpVAoM335pelcePHo3e3uq AkVlmEkfBXkiDi3v5ua0TNIEAWRRCCvl5k6WVRxQtw2WKbFzSbGH5kyu3kgPr6bltGO/ U1iPH+ESsOyhbQxhObYt50DVpL8mNOSpLSnq2TpaBIBsuW6/eDs7sbKi/QlaGzDaL+qa avIWJBbpKF4fkTXHB2iClBZNcG4tntl5NjbZCLigBMeU86KEoFZykYKlUx7+Jp/hjmwi 2q2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX2oUbQ3LczTeNgeb59bEx/cSs0SM7Q6aU6B1+TFxlyXuJYtUMl +DS9BJIXdYHnFC06sBvyVF/OLO/gSTA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDUoGDdWULA8TlAFP/TqFBBxTjjITkoD1dz+yJRTj6RCTfGXUbxpuTyPITeT7TRo9SIpSb0VQ== X-Received: by 10.200.34.67 with SMTP id p3mr8755099qtp.218.1507575728158; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.137] (pool-71-168-105-188.cncdnh.fast11.myfairpoint.net. [71.168.105.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a6sm5318432qth.53.2017.10.09.12.02.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (j3.2006) (SC22WG5.5983) [Fwd: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22/WG 5 New documents available on ISOTC eCommittee] To: WG5 List References: <20171009185141.7A0A33585C0@www.open-std.org> From: Steve Lionel X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <02e43e14-7d40-036a-d269-a79c8c2d862b@stevelionel.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 15:02:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171009185141.7A0A33585C0@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 10/9/2017 2:51 PM, Van Snyder wrote > A few comments on the comments: > > There's a lot of hidden duplication. > > There are many requests for things we've been asked to do many times > before, such as short-circuit logical operators, default initial values > for absent arguments, automatic initialization without SAVE, first-class > enumeration types.... I did not attempt to correlate and order the comments - I just included them raw. Yes, there are some duplicate requests, and yes, there are requests for things we've looked at before. There's even a request for a feature already in F2003 (I had meant to remove that but didn't.) The purpose of this was to include the user community in the planning process from the start, as we discussed in Garching. I think the biggest benefit is seeing the response to generics, but I think it also helps us with prioritization of some smaller items. In addition, I think it helps connect us to the Fortran community (and vice-versa.) For a lot of Fortran users, the committee is a faceless black-box - I hoped to change that. I will admit that I was startled by the comment "I hope that features aren't added for the express purpose of driving out free compilers from the market." - no clue where THAT came from.... Steve