From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed Jul 5 18:13:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id A02143587E4; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 18:13:17 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at www5.open-std.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 18:13:16 CEST Received: from nag-j.co.jp (bvdeuz19.secure.ne.jp [180.222.80.19]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62D3D35695B for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2017 18:13:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 98579 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2017 01:06:32 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO FujiMaru10) (malcolm@nag-j.co.jp@62.254.111.82) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jul 2017 01:06:32 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Malcolm Cohen" To: "WG5" References: <7066758EC69B2B448B905E8770DD14CB0178E0FF66@NY-EXCH10-1.ANSI.org> <32b18a80-e012-ab55-8d98-e0ceaa1776b0@stfc.ac.uk> <7066758EC69B2B448B905E8770DD14CB018024CA26@NY-EXCH10-2.ANSI.org> <13b59721-9c26-5351-298a-0abe8d476617@stfc.ac.uk> <7066758EC69B2B448B905E8770DD14CB018024D0F6@NY-EXCH10-2.ANSI.org> <174d3f9d-397a-55af-730d-122c10d00ed4@stfc.ac.uk> <20170705103610.0F4353587D1@www.open-std.org> In-Reply-To: <20170705103610.0F4353587D1@www.open-std.org> Subject: Re: [ukfortran] (SC22WG5.5886) DIS ballot for revision of FortranStandard Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 01:06:31 +0900 Organization: NAG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk I agree that going for a DIS ballot now means the October meeting is not useful for F2015, but OTOH going for a CD now makes the February meeting not useful for F2015... it is just that our meeting schedule is not well set up for a 5 month ballot period whenever that is. Also, as the J3 meeting is later in October, option 3 probably needs to be 2017-11 for "DIS ballot initiated" (you have to allow *some* time for the secretariat to do the admin thing!). Which probably means +1 to some of the subsequent dates. I will certainly go along with the majority view, but I don't see a big difference between "October useless" and "February useless"... Of course if we go the ++CD route I'll need to make a new document for the CD ballot. Cheers, -----Original Message----- From: John Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 7:36 PM To: WG5 Subject: [ukfortran] (SC22WG5.5886) DIS ballot for revision of FortranStandard WG5, We (I) did not read the small print carefully enough. 2.6.1 of the Directives says "At the enquiry stage, the enquiry draft (DIS in ISO, CDV in IEC) shall be circulated by the office of the CEO to all National Bodies for a 12‐week v vote. In JTC 1, the enquiry draft is a DIS. In JTC 1, the enquiry draft (DIS) shall be circulated for a 12 weeks vote, following a translation period of 8 weeks." We ignored the translation period, which is intended for national bodies to do whatever they think will make voting easier. This means that we cannot stay with the plans in N2129. In particular, the ballot comments will not be available at the October meeting. I think we should go back to having a second CD ballot. I have drafted a new "Strategic plans" document, attached. It contains revisions of the two timetables of N2129 and a new one based on a CD ballot now. I suggest that we go for the CD option. Is this OK for everyone? Please let me know what you think before Sunday. I'm sorry this has happened. John. _______________________________________________ ukfortran mailing list https://lists.accu.org/mailman/listinfo/ukfortran