From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Fri Jul 8 15:56:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 4A22935828D; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com (mail-vk0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E1435667C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-vk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id d67so56871504vkh.1 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 06:56:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bris-ac-uk.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AmidCYiQZ8+dh7NPkkg+YLFau/dKE/oj8N9SCZac/IA=; b=PEF8fvJZI9/MRt0+N9H9+om4bscpNrQA0wdvtdizkGP+wQlaRWQR1KsIIGhfdIaxTC MNgRIFOpnHrUbWiIaD4fTtLYUagTkUA48fUbLHOFSsE81pL6fswF35/3lZJWH5xuC6zl a0vscv5JUFtofJpG0hcgirN7Fdm9y2GX7TuGKJVGtg8yKoZUtfL64y+VbAo0ndWUShIT GKIUrCl37RUw0mDoGwdcVVzmKDvgogTGDmn35NZGBD/BlAey7dY+oU9ToVXOZ6nPNAyH D4caZlOjqW4gqbjbNffLjzAFH2xz6lC5rf/ePv/9K6nULsiozRw728GQEuN0itUZxScq MSLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AmidCYiQZ8+dh7NPkkg+YLFau/dKE/oj8N9SCZac/IA=; b=KcPR+8SSHQ2NS7w6X0mMMTDv9AxJaSmcHhpei0Gz+TU0kB8XwywbczdtIg1TRurCe/ qEjAg7l/3fZNKhIoEugxHfg27QPXxPXZ178mWHfinNXUaqwouVMy2B27K+9+7A9EJLuA qRr6iFEVjIzellYw6JqKgDtBVWnIAQAuzXB1v13VCZ833SSx5vGeeLp1hld+5gZcI+rg jyNY8zIVCx7O4QVVeU6XApcrr+ASzOuw3u6h/67H0nfOpxxaPEenvimGDIlBd8WmjI2U pA0WOAHOOigE3NJD3SqhGpKgZGfJ60A4uYbxOBbKMnQ600uC2xrvXbnpo8WzBI6Q3HXF qCXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIgVBboUP+ozgdIZsiyzo9ngX37rFgu/i7FH2xD26xFhQVZRoFoQ3oNIULFHTQ8dnoHwggqxHVJ3eJHLADM X-Received: by 10.176.2.87 with SMTP id 81mr2683405uas.57.1467986195378; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.64.199 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Anton Shterenlikht Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:56:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ukfortran] (SC22WG5.5760) (j3.2006) RE: RE: Units of measure To: Van.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov Cc: WG5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 08/07/2016, Van Snyder wrote: > Nobody got fired. The $300 millions of taxpayer money was not recovered Van, I have some interest in your proposal, but I think you should stop using this story as a motivation for it, because it's having the opposite effect. You posted enough negative information about the management of this project, and of your organisation more generally, for me to conclude that this story is one of a management failure, and little to do with programming. Speaking as a mechanical engineer, it would be wrong, perhaps immoral, to lobby for O-rings with a capacity to report gaps, just to mitigate potential management failures, similar to the one that led to the 1986 Challenger disaster [1]. Anton [1] http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v1ch6.htm