From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Jul 5 17:32:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 21DC635877F; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:32:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com (st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com [17.164.152.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D733356D0D for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:32:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com by st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0O9U00H00LPQCB00@st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com> for sc22wg5@open-std.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:31:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-78-150-21-246.as13285.net [78.150.21.246]) by st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0O9U0094YLT97S40@st13p21im-asmtp004.me.com> for sc22wg5@open-std.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:31:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2016-07-05_06:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1607050140 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: (SC22WG5.5744) Units of measure From: David Muxworthy In-reply-to: <20160703085848.B63663584A2@www.open-std.org> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:31:56 +0100 Reply-to: David Muxworthy Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-id: <02D3298A-3185-4F85-9C3D-CCD333B4CB89@icloud.com> References: <20160619135920.D0F3F358287@www.open-std.org> <20160629112043.BF09F3587AF@www.open-std.org> <20160629123517.185A635828D@www.open-std.org> <20160629190123.72A8035859B@www.open-std.org> <20160702105054.18596358745@www.open-std.org> <20160702202059.B9618358745@www.open-std.org> <20160703085848.B63663584A2@www.open-std.org> To: sc22wg5@open-std.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=4d515a; t=1467732719; bh=ZpU1XZNix3rZWX+D7e6ScdmOH6oWVYXFE7dSH9sDJ90=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=pBbIVcQvcFoxCaX0bQ6akIb5jjbwJJmeYWScSqByNVWwlJ32s40xrbJbgd0It/RQO r7mqy7xbuHG6fZcmIIFeNLuFJkiN9/dm/hiP9HYcP0KZa41cbWteJmxpwHcnPMxtZ9 QMBMOhdSyKW4toPG4PIZdT92HiSPCHwnWyHuFgKxtJDZ6C5CJp78E8VA7d/avOc2Fn y/uiuasPOFP1kt4Zu0JcTuWIjQ8lt9toH7Vt1nUBSYrfD0SD2bTIpeuzBxjg1u7U/6 NUcOqyaCLOTKUaEjiQUlhNH4n+KgCvQZ0CvnRat8Q7PHG61EqHhQ0MbugclfwXK2dU HLbf2VUgtDTnQ== Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On 3 Jul 2016, John Reid wrote: > Yes, we could have written it this way, but when proposing it as > a TS work item, we would have had to say that we intended to > include it in a future standard. This is not how the C++ people are working. They have published six TSs in the last 12 months (18822, 19217, 19568, 19570, 19571 and 19841), most of which have words similar to: "This Technical Specification is non-normative. Some of the functionality described by this Technical Specification may be considered for standardization in a future version of C++, but it is not currently part of any C++ standard. Some of the functionality in this Technical Specification may never be standardized, and other functionality may be standardized in a substantially changed form. The goal of this Technical Specification is to build widespread existing practice for Transactional Memory. It gives advice on extensions to those vendors who wish to provide them." Despite what has been said in this thread, one way ahead for WG5 would be to add similar weasel words to N1969, push it forward as a TS and see how much interest it attracts. David