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spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <67274ABFD75BE84E97A2CCE9E5658517@namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Jun 2016 22:29:24.9911 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: e7b8488a-c0cd-4614-aae1-996bfabec247 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN4PR11MB0980 X-OriginatorOrg: cray.com Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Van Snyder wrote: > On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 12:35 +0000, Bill Long wrote: >> The implementation costs greatly outweigh the benefit in this case, >> and vendors are not awash with free resources for such a project.=20 >=20 > I'm not convinced about the relationship of cost to benefit. Remember > that the cost is incurred once by vendors, Once? Except for the inevitable changes and enhancements, and the ongoing t= esting and maintenance costs.=20 > and the benefit is enjoyed > continuously thereafter by the vendors' thousands of customers. So the > question is "what would be the additional cost per customer?=94 =20 High when the number of customers is less than =93thousands=94.=20 > Has any > vendor asked its customers "If the language and processor provided > automatic units checking and conversion, would that be worth > $n/license/year?" Indeed has any vendor ever asked any customer any > such question about any proposed language feature? I've never been > asked. Well, for vendors who don=92t charge separately for the compiler, this is n= ot a meaningful question. =20 Is this something that has been added to C++ - a language ecosystem that i= s much easier to paste something onto? =20 I think the more relevant question is how many people are asking for this, = or need it. That number seems to very small. (In my experience, one.) >=20 > Several developers of preprocessors and analysis products have told me > this is not a difficult problem. =20 Then perhaps that=92s the solution. Let the few who need this pay for it.=20 > We don't want to be tied to a > commercial product because we have other users of our software who might > not want (or be able) to afford the cost of the processor. =20 Ah, so you do want it to be free.=20 > I suspect > there are others in the same boat. If there were a GNU preprocessor, > that might make a tiny difference. >=20 > Have I missed something? The previous iterations of this same discussion, perhaps.=20 Cheers, Bill >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > J3 mailing list > J3@mailman.j3-fortran.org > http://mailman.j3-fortran.org/mailman/listinfo/j3 Bill Long = longb@cray.com Fortran Technical Support & voice: 651-6= 05-9024 Bioinformatics Software Development fax: 651-605-9142 Cray Inc./ Cray Plaza, Suite 210/ 380 Jackson St./ St. Paul, MN 55101