From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Mon Mar 24 22:26:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id BD7C49DB119; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:26:53 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625F2358781 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:26:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id e16so6795954qcx.13 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=CxgGazwvtJRiWUnEt+mTzDGh2AiJVL/ZIo8dvze7HV4=; b=VNrr0DpsC+kFCQ4hcTkO6RgxA3JUFlui6JKbo9XnVsboAzHMR+lw2xZSxUUNmrpO82 bWnEIkbJc6M4EjnHFCVnfQnI7+cwWrz5dJiK2I0+CEqcef8tvPk4mB7NHGUlUSNWKQTh meNzwIyRGixlAR3jlKzPzTAAvP6tNhE3hy5WSaCwGMM7/4sQf1/Fuhq98HqxbLeywveq iW5UcY7/AE/jOTcwHwARInh2wyqHrcZBYj+D3/Rv9WfrIU66kxV8zEInBfr0i33WKdtE ik7X7q1U2EHtWAUycVum4UtggjH8kR7jcaIFEJZ0RUau8AP1Ve7RF8zeu07GEv7laU1r FJwg== X-Received: by 10.229.58.68 with SMTP id f4mr6251817qch.18.1395696412838; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.154.200 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:26:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140324211451.D220E35876A@www.open-std.org> References: <20140312154430.1B7899EB083@www.open-std.org> <20140324133031.CC99D35856F@www.open-std.org> <20140324160849.220FA356F90@www.open-std.org> <20140324204821.77D8535872E@www.open-std.org> <20140324210108.4DBFB3586CD@www.open-std.org> <20140324211451.D220E35876A@www.open-std.org> From: Keith Bierman Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:26:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: (j3.2006) (SC22WG5.5200) [ukfortran] Ballot on draft DTS To: fortran standards email list for J3 Cc: "sc22wg5@open-std.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113306b0e6d23c04f560e493 Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --001a113306b0e6d23c04f560e493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM, N.M. Maclaren wrote: > ... > > > If we think that commodity hardware and operating system vendors and > distributors are going to do anything special to help Fortran, we are > living in cloud cuckoo land. And the vast majority of Fortran users > use commodity hardware and operating system distributions. > > well, x86/64 processors have some support, and I'm pretty sure SGI and others have ensured that Linux has support at the OS level. Or is there some other commodity platform that is serving the vast majority of Fortran users? Now, I can't claim to have tried to map the proposed facility to these, but I'd have assumed that members of committee like Bill Long have and I'd trust their analysis. If the bottom line was that Mac and Windows users might need an OS update, I doubt that would take overly long if there was a business need. But it might not happen very quickly (but then most parallel Fortran codes are running on Linux or AIX these days, aren't they?) --001a113306b0e6d23c04f560e493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM, N.M. Maclaren = <nmm1@cam.ac.uk&= gt; wrote:
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If we think that commodity hardware and operating system vendors and
distributors are going to do anything special to help Fortran, we are
living in cloud cuckoo land. =A0And the vast majority of Fortran users
use commodity hardware and operating system distributions.

well, x86/64 processors have some support, and I'm pret= ty sure SGI and others have ensured that Linux has support at the OS level.=

Or is there some other commodity platform= that is serving the vast majority of Fortran users?

Now, I can't claim to have tried to m= ap the proposed facility to these, but I'd have assumed that members of= committee like Bill Long have and I'd trust their analysis.

If the bottom line was that Mac and Windo= ws users might need an OS update, I doubt that would take overly long if th= ere was a business need. But it might not happen very quickly (but then mos= t parallel Fortran codes are running on Linux or AIX these days, aren't= they?)

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