From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Fri Dec 14 05:02:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 675603569EE; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:02:54 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org X-Greylist: delayed 3603 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at www5.open-std.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:02:52 CET Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6898335697F for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:02:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([unknown] [24.9.79.217]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MEZ00KCSXKQRR90@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for sc22wg5@open-std.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:03:45 -0600 (CST) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: (j3.2006) (SC22WG5.4858) WG5 letter ballot on N1947 From: Dan Nagle In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:03:44 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <40976B23-95FD-4F6C-BC22-FF3E71C55A28@verizon.net> References: <20121210121650.AB1553569E8@www.open-std.org> <20121213174556.1917D3569D5@www.open-std.org> To: WG5 List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On Dec 13, 2012, at 17:11 , Dan Nagle wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I agree with the editorial comments. >=20 > The major reason for declining the argument for more history > is that none of the other languages mention any revision other than > the most recent. Since publicity is a major benefit of this exercise, > I believe conformity with "more modern" languages outweighed > any explanatory gain. >=20 > On Dec 13, 2012, at 08:47 , David Muxworthy = wrote: >=20 >>> Please answer the following question "Is N1947 ready for forwarding = to WG23=20 >>> as the Fortran Annex to TR 24772?" in one of these ways.=20 >>>=20 >>> 1) Yes. >>> 2) Yes, but I recommend the following changes.=20 >>> 3) No, for the following reasons. >>> 4) Abstain. >>=20 >> I vote Yes with comments. >>=20 >> Editorial: >> In Fortran.1 add: >> ISO/IEC TS 29113:2012 Further interoperability of Fortran with C >> ISO/IEC 1539-2:2000 Fortran Part 2: Varying length character strings >>=20 >> Also change "Corrigendum I" to "Corrigendum 1". >>=20 >> In Fortran.5.2 "IEEE 754" should specify which version of that >> standard is used, and there should be a cross-reference to IEC 60559, >> as in the main part of TR 24772. Other references to "IEEE" (in 5.1 >> and 5.38) should be more precisely worded since the main part of TR >> 24772 and other annexes mention several different IEEE standards. >>=20 >> General comment: >> I voted in favour of WG5 formally adopting this project in 2011 as I >> thought it politically beneficial that in an SC22 standard Fortran >> should be seen to be in the same league as Ada, C, Python, etc. >> However basically I agree with Van's description: "a frivolous bit of >> nonsense that ought to be in textbooks, not a nonnormative annex to = an >> irrelevant international standard".[1] >>=20 >> I would have preferred the Fortran annex to have included more on >> history, to mention earlier standards and, given the apparent >> continuing use of Fortran 77, to explain a little more for example = why >> common and equivalence were needed at one time and why it is now >> recommended that they be avoided. However it is not worth expending >> more resource on the document. Once any remaining corrections and >> clarifications have been made it should be sent to WG23 and the >> project closed down, at least until after the next revision of part = 1. >>=20 >>=20 >> [1] BSI voted against the original vulnerabilities project proposal = in >> 2005. The majority view on the committee was that language- >> independent standards in SC22 have been a waste of effort and have >> had little or no influence. >>=20 >>=20 >> David >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> J3 mailing list >> J3@mailman.j3-fortran.org >> http://mailman.j3-fortran.org/mailman/listinfo/j3 >=20 > --=20 > Cheers! >=20 > Dan Nagle >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Cheers! Dan Nagle