From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Thu Dec 13 13:13:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 12CAA3569E8; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:13:20 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk [212.74.100.55]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EE63569CE for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:13:17 +0100 (CET) X-Trace: 824844156/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_STATIC/TalkTalk_Customer/92.21.175.77/None/John.Reid@stfc.ac.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 92.21.175.77 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: John.Reid@stfc.ac.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKOpyVBcFa9N/2dsb2JhbAANOL8GgxEBAQEEOBslEQsYCQwKDwkDAgECAUUGDQgCsjqKc4kJjWWDNQOWCYVYjWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,273,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="824844156" Received: from host-92-21-175-77.as13285.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([92.21.175.77]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2012 10:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: <50C9AB73.3000306@stfc.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:18:27 +0000 From: John Reid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WG5 Subject: Re: (j3.2006) (SC22WG5.4853) WG5 letter ballot on N1947 References: <20121210121650.AB1553569E8@www.open-std.org> <20121211021910.B06103569CA@www.open-std.org> In-Reply-To: <20121211021910.B06103569CA@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk WG5, Van Snyder wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 10:21 +0000, John Reid wrote: >> WG5, >> >> Now that the interps ballot is out of the way, I would like to start a >> ballot on N1947, the draft annex to the TR on Guidance to Avoiding >> Vulnerabilities in Programming Languages. N1947 is the result of >> off-line work by J3 members during its October meeting. > > > I wouldn't characterize the work as "off-line". J3 spent several hours > in subgroup, and at least another hour in plenary, during the October > meeting alone. This black hole has an enormously long history for such > a frivolous bit of nonsense that ought to be in textbooks, not a > nonnormative annex to an irrelevant international standard. It is > mentioned in 37 WG5 .txt files, four WG5 .pdf files, and 27 J3 .txt > files, going back to 2006. > > We've spent seven years fiddling with this, and now we're told that > there isn't time to do anything substantial regarding our primary > mission. Because I was not at the meeting, I have asked Dan what happened. He assures me that "off-line work" is a fair description. The work was done by Dan. He discussed the comments of Van and Malcolm when they were free and also took into account comments from Bill, Tobias, and David. He says that very little plenary time was taken because all that was done was to announce intentions on Monday and the availability of a new version later in the week. Cheers, John.