From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom8=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Dec 11 03:19:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom8 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom8@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id E4BFE3569E8; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:19:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail.jpl.nasa.gov (smtp.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.139.105]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D61A356956 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [137.79.7.57] (math.jpl.nasa.gov [137.79.7.57]) by smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBB0KRH9027222 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:20:28 -0800 Subject: Re: (j3.2006) (SC22WG5.4852) WG5 letter ballot on N1947 From: Van Snyder Reply-To: Van.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov To: sc22wg5 In-Reply-To: <20121210121650.AB1553569E8@www.open-std.org> References: <20121210121650.AB1553569E8@www.open-std.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Organization: Yes Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:20:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1355185227.9107.4633.camel@math.jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 (2.28.3-24.el6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-Sender: Van.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov X-AUTH: Authorized Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 10:21 +0000, John Reid wrote: > WG5, > > Now that the interps ballot is out of the way, I would like to start a > ballot on N1947, the draft annex to the TR on Guidance to Avoiding > Vulnerabilities in Programming Languages. N1947 is the result of > off-line work by J3 members during its October meeting. I wouldn't characterize the work as "off-line". J3 spent several hours in subgroup, and at least another hour in plenary, during the October meeting alone. This black hole has an enormously long history for such a frivolous bit of nonsense that ought to be in textbooks, not a nonnormative annex to an irrelevant international standard. It is mentioned in 37 WG5 .txt files, four WG5 .pdf files, and 27 J3 .txt files, going back to 2006. We've spent seven years fiddling with this, and now we're told that there isn't time to do anything substantial regarding our primary mission. ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG5 N1953 WG5 letter ballot on N1947 John Reid, 10 December 2012 This is a WG5 letter ballot on N1947, draft Fortran Annex to TR 24772, Guidance to Avoiding Vulnerabilities in Programming Languages through Language Selection and Use. Please answer the following question "Is N1947 ready for forwarding to WG23 as the Fortran Annex to TR 24772?" in one of these ways. 1) Yes. 2) Yes, but I recommend the following changes. 3) No, for the following reasons. 4) Abstain. This is an individual vote. Please send your vote to sc22wg5@open-std.org to arrive by 9 a.m. (UK time) on 7 January 2013. I don't want to vote "yes" because it would just encourage a repetition of this nonsense. I don't want to vote "no" because I'm expected to offer constructive criticism, but I can't bear to read it again. So I abstain. > > Thanks, > > John. > _______________________________________________ > J3 mailing list > J3@mailman.j3-fortran.org > http://mailman.j3-fortran.org/mailman/listinfo/j3